BP Officially In SCS

[ManagerJosh]

Press Release: http://forums.worldsims.org/showthread.php?p=135183 (http://forums.worldsims.org/showthread.php?p=135183#post135183)

NYTimes Article: http://forums.worldsims.org/showthread.php?t=13532

[Aushun]

And yet I still find an Oil Conglomerate supporting environmentally friendly fuel options highly ironic. I wonder if BP would mind if people stopped using oil altogether? Lol rant aside, I wouldn't mind this as long as the BP logos don't start popping up everywhere.

[Rnett]

All they need now is Mcdonald's cafe in the game, your people walk in thin and leave the building fat .......:eek:

[John-SJ]

And yet I still find an Oil Conglomerate supporting environmentally friendly fuel options highly ironic. I wonder if BP would mind if people stopped using oil altogether? Lol rant aside, I wouldn't mind this as long as the BP logos don't start popping up everywhere.

I'm sure the oil companies are investing heavily enough in alternative energy that when you switch from gasoline to whatever their bottom line won't even notice.

I was really surprised when I read the article though, and it makes me wonder if this game is intended as an indoctrination tool of some kind.

[Tinkerbell]

Dat's funny! :D

When the thread with just the BP sun logo was made, I denied it. I didn't even know what the BP logo looked like.

However, recently I saw an image (which I cannot find in my library now), that had the sun AND the BP in the middle of it. Was it a video?

[Rnett]

You need to look at your other alias....:D

http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13586&page=3

[Tinkerbell]

Yes, I know, Rnett. They are all over that image. That is when I began to change my mind.

[King Faticus]

I don't see anything wrong with it now that I know what they did it for... before I thought it was purely product advertisement within a video game but now I see they are working together to increase awareness of climate changes and their effects o-0 :eek: :o :rolleyes:

[Tinkerbell]

Eight new Climate-changing shots from the new instalment in the SimCity series ~ CVG (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=173460)

another one...

'Sim City' Partners With Big Oil To Build Brave New 'Societies' ~ MTV (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1571531/20071010/index.jhtml)

[Hoplite]

BP!!! :mad: those twofaced scum dump tons of sludge into the lake from which Chicago and surrounding communities get drinking water from daily!
And they claim to be environmentally aware and innovative?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-pollute_15jul15,1,2304440.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed%2F&ctrack=1&cset=true

[Sim Nation]

Go ! British ,lmao, Petroleum .
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[Tinkerbell]

Still laughing :D

No politics, eh, Reed? Now, you put it in your game. ;)

(where's Woody when we need him?)

[Rnett]

More specifically it was mercury dumping in lake michigan, Mayor Daley ordered no city trucks to fill up at bp stations anymore.:eek:

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Business/2007/07/14/bp_to_dump_more_toxins_in_lake_michigan/4778/

[John-SJ]

Aha! According to the NY Times article on this topic there will be a game demo. They did not say when, only that there will be one. :)

[ManagerJosh]

If it's any concession, I've learned that today was one news day where I definitely needed help in coverage.

O yes, in other news. SimCity Societies won't be making an apperance at E for All. :(

[Tinkerbell]

Whoa ~ You just sent me scrambling, John!

With SimCity Societies, the executives said, BP paid Electronic Arts to have its logo included in the game, though they would not disclose the amount. BP will also help distribute a demonstration version of the game online and possibly at BP gas stations. NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/arts/10sims.html?ref=arts)

Interesting!

[Azeem]

First thing to mod: remove all BP logos in the game. :cool:

[King Faticus]

muahahaha ^^^

[Agamemnus]

BP!!! :mad: those twofaced scum dump tons of sludge into the lake from which Chicago and surrounding communities get drinking water from daily!
And they claim to be environmentally aware and innovative?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-pollute_15jul15,1,2304440.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed%2F&ctrack=1&cset=true

Thanks for making me aware of that. Meh. Looks like Advertising doesn't back up the Real Thing, again. If this news story is more widely known, I bet they'd be reeling from that decision now... advertising without the stuff to back it up is not good for a company...

[Tinkerbell]

BP at least gets some credit for trying. That's more than some oil companies.

We are making progress, but change is always resisted.

Are they using political rethoric & marketing? Of course. ;)

[King Faticus]

I take it they are trying to make up for past sins, everybody has got to start somewhere even BP.
of course the good PR never hurts either

[Corinthian]

One wrinkle in the game’s marketing is that relatively clean systems like wind farms, natural gas plants and solar farms are branded with the BP logo, while the dirty options like coal are not. Gas stations in the game also carry the BP brand. [emphasis added]

...associate BP with good, clean, energy, because that's what we're all about...not those darn polluting options...associate BP with where you buy gas for your car...we can help...we are your friends...trust us...

[/dreamy mind meltdown sequence]

Sorry. I want none of that crap polluting my experience of any game.

Of course, it's nice they are trying to educate people. But either include BP logos on all the energy options, or none at all. My preference is the latter.

Be honest, EA, TM, and BP. BP produces dirty energy and pollution in the real world, but wants to clean up its image. How? At least one way: by having people only associate them with clean energy options, and disassociate them with unclean options. It's freaking disingenuous, and pisses me off. :mad:

[tobing]

Somehow, this is all about advertising in games. I'm not sure if I like this... depends on how it's done, and if you can ignore it while you're playing.

[thegrad]

Somehow, this is all about advertising in games. I'm not sure if I like this... depends on how it's done, and if you can ignore it while you're playing.

I don't want advertising in games that I have to pay for. If they want to advertise than give me the game for free.:D

[ManagerJosh]

There is some truth Corithian in your words, however not completely true. In SCS, I've observed their logo on some of the more traditional petro powered sources.

Anyhow, what's represented in SCS is pretty accurate of the BP Portfolio. They do have petro based energy production but they do have Wind and Solar as well.

http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9017928&contentId=7033483
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7003869
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7027554
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=97&contentId=7005534

I think at most, it's probably trying to distant their image from just purely a petrol solution and also get their name associated with cleaner energy.

[John-SJ]

I'm with TheGrad here. If advertizers want to be in a game then I shouldn't have to pay for it. I am totally against ingame advertizing in a game that the consumer pays for.

[Kiya]

Am I ready to pay about 50 US dollars for a game that has advertising in it??? :eek:

[jinishans]

Am I ready to pay about 50 US dollars for a game that has advertising in it??? :eek:
We pay for HBO, they dont put annoying ad's. But, who sit and watch HBO....? People see more programs/movies in other channels, which comes for free of charge but put ad's for every 15min. The same is applicable for games also. If Game's are going to have Ad's, let's have it unless it hampers the gameplay, but, give the game for free or for each add we see while we play, credit some amount in my account (which i used to buy the game) and for each add i click give me more money, so that i can play more earn more, but still the game should be free, no compromize on that.

[David Beebe]

http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/849554.php?contentType=4&contentId=832984


CHICAGO (WBBM) The manager of British Petroleum's Whiting, Indiana, refinery said Thursday that the company will not dump additional waste into Lake Michigan despite having the nessecary permits to do so.

Posted: Thursday, 23 August 2007 10:25AM

[Sim Nation]

Well i must say with all the coin EA/TM are raiking in with scs , one would hope , they might spend some of it developing a decent game with proper transport systems . :p and a region , gdm capitalists .

BP must be crazy to spend millions on crap like this , they making to much money .Maybe they should of spent it ,lowering fuel prices , and cleaning up some of their polution at home .

BP maybe dumping ,in a chicago pond , but US administration *Sold* them the permits , everything American has a price as BP have proved , with EA and SCS and mercury.
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[Kinneas]

It was a smart move and the other energy companies should get in on it to. Hit up the DoD, NASA, DARPA for some of truly high tech plots in SIM City while you are at it.

Don't hang me.

I was and am all for 'Massive' and advertising in what are to be 'realistic' games to add to the illusion of reality...but (imo) the other half of the deal was to pass on major savings to consumers if it happened.

Well. It has happened.

It is nice to ignore the other half of the idea as it was presented by community voices and take both the advertising monies and consumer monies...but you are using the ideas they gave you against them.

I am hoping for another press release from EA that states the price has dropped to reflect the 'welcome sight' of logos and branding for the consumers who wanted more reality in thier visual experience. This could not have been achieved without corporations branding. Better to have the corporation pay to get their branding included rather than EA or the developer paying a licensing fee to include branding and increase our end.


If there is no adjustment things could get...interesting (Not a threat. I'm an observer/witness atm).

Somebody always knows something more and I believe some know where these ideas started.

[Azeem]

EA's going to be the final decision maker in that department. Talking prices with TM isn't going to get you anywhere; once the game goes gold, it's all in the publisher's hands.

Note to TM - please go independent next time. :rolleyes:

[Kinneas]

EA's going to be the final decision maker in that department. Talking prices with TM isn't going to get you anywhere; once the game goes gold, it's all in the publisher's hands.

Note to TM - please go independent next time. :rolleyes:

I am hoping for another press release from EA that states...

I was directing the thoughts in the proper direction.

[Tinkerbell]

I might not wanna go green after all :D

As gamers build the city, the simulation monitors its impact on the wider environment and applies penalties accordingly. EA recently explained, “should players choose to build cities dependent on [harsher] types of sources for power to conserve their in-game money, their carbon ratings will rise and, at reaching critical levels, the game will issue alerts about the threat of the various natural disasters like droughts, heat waves and others that may strike their cities.” Play.tm (http://play.tm/story/13800)

[Agamemnus]

http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/849554.php?contentType=4&contentId=832984



Posted: Thursday, 23 August 2007 10:25AM

Nice. So they didn't go through, even if it did take 2 months..

[arcan]

http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/849554.php?contentType=4&contentId=832984



Posted: Thursday, 23 August 2007 10:25AM
The saddest point in that is that they actually have the authorization to pollute the lake...:(

[King Faticus]

that lake has been polluted for many years Ive heard

[Tinkerbell]

Will Nobel Laureate Al Gore (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2007/) be in SCS also? :D

[King Faticus]

aww he looks like he only got half the prize lol

[Corinthian]

There is some truth Corithian in your words, however not completely true. In SCS, I've observed their logo on some of the more traditional petro powered sources.

Anyhow, what's represented in SCS is pretty accurate of the BP Portfolio. They do have petro based energy production but they do have Wind and Solar as well.

http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9017928&contentId=7033483
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7003869
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7027554
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=97&contentId=7005534

I think at most, it's probably trying to distant their image from just purely a petrol solution and also get their name associated with cleaner energy.

I was quoting the New York Times article, ManagerJosh. Any truth or lack thereof in my quote is not attributable to my words, but to those in the article in question. Assuming they are true, my argument stands. If they aren't, it doesn't. What you observed in game might have been the BP logo on the gas stations. If you have seen the BP logo on a coal plant in game, that would pretty much settle it with me, and I would not gripe about BP's apparent dishonesty, and we would know that the article is inaccurate to that extent. If you haven't seen the BP logo on a dirty power option in game, then let us proceed as if the Times article's words are true: the article claims that dirty power plant options do not carry the BP logo, but clean power options and gas stations do.

To be sure, I don't want ANY BP logo on any building in the entire game, or any other advertising for that matter.

If there will be BP advertising, however, it should not serve to foster an association in anyone's mind that BP is ONLY a clean power energy company. They are not.

The lack of BP's logo on dirty options, and the presence of BP logos on clean energy, is an underhanded way for BP to get people to disassociate BP from dirty energy while at the same to associate BP with clean energy only.

This kind of dishonesty in public perception manipulation is a hallmark of polluting companies and industries. I call it out when I see it, and I am not happy to see it insinuating itself into an arena I previously experienced as free from such underhanded garbage.

To reiterate: I am pleased that BP is attempting to educate people about the effects of pollution by energy production. I am glad they apparently take it seriously. Do they take it seriously enough to truly lead? To abandon dirty energy production altogether? To find ways to create products without producing toxic pollution? No. So far, they are a world-leader in dirty energy production, and while (according to their own press release) they claim to also be a world leader in solar power panels, solar still accounts for a small portion of their total business. So to try to get people to associate them only with clean power in SC:S is just B.S.

[Sim Nation]

BP has spent millions rebranding itself as ?Beyond Petroleum? and this is yet another piece of greenwash to improve their image .
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[panthersimcity4]

What's next, election posters?? :p

[King Faticus]

shhhhhh :eek: ;)

[Romaq]

Do I remember incorrectly the quote, "We are not going to make judgements about the city you build?" And yet, if you don't build 'BP Logo Clean Energy, do you not get punished for it? Is that not the whole point of 'punishment'? If you do not follow a certain path, there are consequences? If you do not build using BP logo clean energy solutions, will you not pay for short-term energy cost savings for long-term hazard?

And I expect to see BP Logo dirty energy plants as custom mods, if not shipping with the game. I would also want to see the liabilities of 'clean energy' mentioned. Mercury poisoning from the new 'energy saving bulbs'. Toxic waste and high energy costs in the production of solar energy. Brownouts and blackouts from wind power that doesn't happen to have wind. Lower property values from wind farms. Environmental hazard from wind farms.

The reason we are NOT using more 'clean energy sources':

1) We ARE improving, it takes time, technology improvements through research and infrastructure investment. But we ARE improving over time.
2) Getting back to #1, it takes time and it has a cost. If you go to electric cars, you trade 'clean energy cars' for DIRTY energy coal plants that produce the energy. Until you get clean electricity, you are trading dirty gasoline for dirty coal at a NET LOSS.
3) Nuclear power doesn't seem to be mentioned in this so far. Coal power plants spew radiation into the air as well as carbon (http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html). But nuclear power is equated with dirty power, so that option is out.
4) 'Clean Energy' isn't necessarily so clean. Even wind power has 'dirty impact' from the materials used in construction within the environment and the harm caused to wildlife to the materials used to produce solar energy. Hypothetical question, but would the toxins dumped into Lake Michigan be any less 'dirty' if they were byproducts from the production of solar panals?
5) People in general are stupid (willing to believe that which they fear is true or want to be true) and lazy (unwilling to expend effort without direct, personal benefit). This includes my wife and I as well. My wife mentioned something about it being a cool day this summer and I suggested Global Warming is to blame. She asked me if I 'believed in Global Warming." I responded that I *did*, the evidence is there, but here's the problem... we were technically within walking distance of work. Was she willing to walk to work? No, because we would have to walk several miles through rush-hour deadly traffic at great personal risk to arrive at work tired to start a 10 hour physically grueling shift, and walk home at 5am in the dark cold and wet. Ok, so was she willing to ride the bus for all travel OUTSIDE of work? No, because the bus wouldn't be convenient even if the bus didn't run the hours we were sleeping. We *DID* the bus before we could get a car, and THE BUS SUCKS! I'm sorry, but riding the bus sucks. It goes beyond inconvenient when you have a week's worth of groceries for two. The bus really REALLY sucks. So I asked about our computers. Was she going to give up using her computer, since the power it draws contributes to global warming? No. What about the air conditioner? Nope, the computers make it too hot in our apartment. Ok, so did she want Al Gore to have the government force EVERYONE who doesn't have Gore's personal wealth to have to do without the things we find so convenient like having a car and the computers? No, she didn't want that either, and she wasn't interested in talking about Global Warming anymore.

And that pretty much sums up the whole 'clean energy' thing. People in general prefer cheap convenience with direct, immediate payback over expending effort and personal expense for long-term communal benefit. Clean Energy is great so long as someone ELSE is riding the bus for a week's worth of groceries, walking 45 minutes each way to work in the rain, in the dark through deadly rushhour traffic. Clean Power is great when you are in a position of authority and personal wealth to make everyone ELSE live it, so you can live your life like a pig and justify it on the basis of bribing your 'green allies' to shut up about it (http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_102512.asp).

So much for 'Clean Energy'. There really isn't much 'clean' about it when you get to the dirty secrets of people acting like people. BP is certainly no exception. But I do expect to see BP logo dirty power custom mods. After all, we want it to be 'realistic', right?

--Romaq

[deathtopumpkins]

And yet I still find an Oil Conglomerate supporting environmentally friendly fuel options highly ironic. I wonder if BP would mind if people stopped using oil altogether? Lol rant aside, I wouldn't mind this as long as the BP logos don't start popping up everywhere.
Well, if you've seen BP's commercials, that wouldn't come as a suprise.
They're shortened it from British Petroleum to just BP so they can call themselves Beyond Petroleum.

[deathtopumpkins]

...associate BP with good, clean, energy, because that's what we're all about...not those darn polluting options...associate BP with where you buy gas for your car...we can help...we are your friends...trust us...

[/dreamy mind meltdown sequence]

Sorry. I want none of that crap polluting my experience of any game.

Of course, it's nice they are trying to educate people. But either include BP logos on all the energy options, or none at all. My preference is the latter.

Be honest, EA, TM, and BP. BP produces dirty energy and pollution in the real world, but wants to clean up its image. How? At least one way: by having people only associate them with clean energy options, and disassociate them with unclean options. It's freaking disingenuous, and pisses me off. :mad:
Oh yes, good point. THat is going to far. I was fine with BP logos, but thats trying to advertise BP without people realizing it.

[deathtopumpkins]

Whoa ~ You just sent me scrambling, John!

With SimCity Societies, the executives said, BP paid Electronic Arts to have its logo included in the game, though they would not disclose the amount. BP will also help distribute a demonstration version of the game online and possibly at BP gas stations. NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/arts/10sims.html?ref=arts)

Interesting!

At gas stations???
That would be interesting.
I wonder if it would be free to everyone, or only with the purchase of BP gas?

[Kiya]

At gas stations???
That would be interesting.
I wonder if it would be free to everyone, or only with the purchase of BP gas?
Oh that would be most interesting, promotional games at BP stations. :D Hopefully at discount, since they will be promoting their 'clean' stuff right? :p :D
Now I would go and buy their stuff (at least once) if I get the game too. :cool:
Wait...WAIT.... there are no BP gas stations in my country! :eek: http://www.fengshuichat.com/sitearm/smileycon_images/20.gif

[King Faticus]

you can go through all that Visa BS and fly to America and... o_0

umm... GO TO DISNEY WORLD!!!! :eek: :D :D

[ManagerJosh]

Oh that would be most interesting, promotional games at BP stations. :D Hopefully at discount, since they will be promoting their 'clean' stuff right? :p :D
Now I would go and buy their stuff (at least once) if I get the game too. :cool:
Wait...WAIT.... there are no BP gas stations in my country! :eek: http://www.fengshuichat.com/sitearm/smileycon_images/20.gif
Kiya, if you live in the US, BP is known as "Arco" :)

[ManagerJosh]

Romaq:

I believe you have many valid concerns, but at the same time, I think some of your concerns are partially ill-concieved.

I don't have a problem with BP in SimCity Societies so as long as they are providing a complete and accurate representation of their energy portfolio. So far, all evidence suggests what is being incorporated is an accurate representation of their portfolio.

We've seen so far:

Clean Energy:
Wind Power
Solar Power
Fossil Fuels:
Gas Stations
Oil/Gas Burning Power stations (couldn't tell in screenshots)
I do not think it's fair that we smack the BP label on coal and nuclear power because that's not part of their energy portfolio.

Now if they misrepresent their energy portfolio within SimCity Societies and give a biased view, then I do have a problem with that.

But so far from what I've seen, they are presenting their portfolio accurately.

[King Faticus]

the green men will take me away when I bat in their perfectly legal waste dumping facility.. all you do is place it by a river or lake and you will receive 500$ a month


and all the little fishies and duckies will be sleeping blissfully on the shore.. :3

[Azeem]

Seems that the BP logo is also on the polluting power plants as well. At least they're honest about that.

Still, I'm going to mod out all BP references and put something generic.

[King Faticus]

^^^ will there still be sleeping ducks and fish in the lakes and rivers? :(

[Romaq]

I believe you have many valid concerns, but at the same time, I think some of your concerns are partially ill-concieved.

Perhaps, but I try really hard to fake surprise when people are pointed out for acting like... well, people.

I don't have a problem with BP in SimCity Societies so as long as they are providing a complete and accurate representation of their energy portfolio. So far, all evidence suggests what is being incorporated is an accurate representation of their portfolio.

(snip)

I do not think it's fair that we smack the BP label on coal and nuclear power because that's not part of their energy portfolio.


I agree on that. I only brought up coal and nuclear energy as it fits in with the larger picture of 'clean energy' and not specific to BP. Various energy options have myriad consequences: some good, some bad, and all those consequences end up being decided when one pays at the gastank or writes the check for their bills. As I understand it, nuclear energy is pretty much dead in the US at this point in time, and it's a VERY good point in time to really be looking at nuclear energy in light of power demands and the carbon footprint (and radiation) coal and oil produce.

Unfortunately the arguement mostly seems to center around how we peons need to stop using our cars, stop heating our homes, stop generating trash, stop having children and be good minions so the likes of Algore can party it up living the life opposite they demand of the rest of us. That's not to beat up on any particular political party but a general observation that whatever nut-job is in charge in D.C., it's always the case of "Do as I say and ignore me... I mean the lying cheating schmuck behind the curtain!"

Now if they misrepresent their energy portfolio within SimCity Societies and give a biased view, then I do have a problem with that.

But so far from what I've seen, they are presenting their portfolio accurately.

Excellent. I regret I simply can't scan through the images. Even if they could be done in a slideshow that would show everything, they wouldn't have a context and it all just becomes so many pictures with so much to see I can't look at anything. I'm glad you found the one you posted of BP on a dirty plant.

I'm quite sure people tire of me, and that's one reason I've been avoiding reading and posting here on TM. But I'm at the point of tiring of the BP Logo discussion. At some point the quote "pie jesu domine dona eis requiem" comes to mind. Dear Lord Jesus give it a rest!

--Romaq goes to beat himself in the head with a wooden board until the 'BP is of the devil, and EA sucks for making a pact with the devil' discussion goes away.

[Tinkerbell]

Unfortunately the arguement mostly seems to center around how we peons need to stop using our cars, stop heating our homes, stop generating trash, stop having children and be good minions so the likes of Algore can party it up living the life opposite they demand of the rest of us. That's not to beat up on any particular political party but a general observation that whatever nut-job is in charge in D.C., it's always the case of "Do as I say and ignore me... I mean the lying cheating schmuck behind the curtain!"

"Algore"

Why am I not surprized you are a dittohead.

[Romaq]

"Algore"

Why am I not surprized you are a dittohead.

You are welcome to believe what you wish. But for the point of the message thread, it appears BP has their logo on the petro pumps (and people still use petroleum) AND BP's logo is on factories generating polutants (which they do) in addition to 'green' products they wish to promote (which BP does make and they are in fact attempting to promote).

The nature of this message thread is such that BP is damned no matter what they do and the facts are not relevant to most people posting here, it would seem. That is, unless they get SC:S totally free of charge. Ain't gonna happen, and it shouldn't. And even if the same people got SC:S free of charge, I can't see how they'd care or appreciate it anyway.

But the people here wanting to PUNISH BP for TRYING to do the right thing (which it appears BP is trying) is as silly as BP deliberately avoiding responsibility for the sale of their petroleum and 'dirty' products (which ManagerJosh just proved BP is clearly NOT guilty in the screenshot).

Algore clearly does not live up to his expectations for everyone else. Algore is clearly guilty of being a politician. If his carbon footprint fits, he can wear it.

--Romaq

[King Faticus]

--Romaq goes to beat himself in the head with a wooden board until the 'BP is of the devil, and EA sucks for making a pact with the devil' discussion goes away.
hehehe if I remember all the quotes correctly then ...

lets see..

EA is Emperor Palpatine *snickers*
TM is Darth Vader *rollseyes*
CU is Luke come to save the galaxy (ST) *snickers again*
I assume that makes all the batters the force or something o_0 (too much free time)
and now BP (and evidently Arco) is the Devil :/




hmm I thing Im forgetting one

ohh yeah, I know who Tink is too;) :p

I'm quite sure people tire of me
hahahah TRUST me.. you have nothing to worry about until ""I"" disappear...
then I would worry if I were you o_0



PS Romaq you are definatly right about one thing,
if the same people got SC:S free of charge, I can't see how they'd care or appreciate it anyway.


most people won't truly appreciate something unless they decide before hand if it is worthwhile and to work for it.

PPS I really don't care if BP is in the game or not personally.. heck they even have a different logo than I remember them having when I lived in Ohio.... actually there are no BPs or Arcos in my area so I haven't seen one for years, which is why the logo is new to me.

[Romaq]

Wizard's First Rule
--Romaq

[Azeem]

^^^ will there still be sleeping ducks and fish in the lakes and rivers? :(

You know, I'm a bit surprised that no one brought that up. CotN featured a variety of Egyptian fauna and flora. They might bog down the system a bit but it'd be nice if there was the option (that lovely word again ;) ) to at least show some of that in SCS. It gives a nicer immersive experience. Fauna was visible in SC4 (although they did virtually nothing except bog down the system :o ), but the flora left a lot to be desired (less than a half-dozen types of trees, if I recall correctly).

[ManagerJosh]

Speaking of Fauna, I never could seem to understand why animals loved running into the sea and commiting suicide in SC4.

[deathtopumpkins]

Kiya, if you live in the US, BP is known as "Arco" :)

Here in VA, BPs are known as BPs. I've never heard of "Arco"

[Kiya]

you can go through all that Visa BS and fly to America and... o_0

umm... GO TO DISNEY WORLD!!!! :eek: :D :D
Never been to America yet, but hope to come one day....so if and when I do come I definitely will not try and find any BPs even if they were giving SCS for free, or any other game for that matter. :D :D :D Disney Land was a childhood dream but I doubt I would like to see it right now. So much more interesting things to see and do, besides there is one Disneyworld nearer to me, in France.

Kiya, if you live in the US, BP is known as "Arco" :)
As you can see I don't live in the US. ;) :)

[Rnett]

Here in VA, BPs are known as BPs. I've never heard of "Arco"


They are a subsidiary of BP and operate primarily on the west coast. It use to stand for Atlantic Richfield Company.

[King Faticus]

besides there is one Disneyworld nearer to me, in France.
ahh but the Disney WORLD in Orlando is next to Universal studios, very nice restaurants, and hotels, plus it is in Florida so it is also warm and orangey. lol

[Kiya]

ahh but the Disney WORLD in Orlando is next to Universal studios, very nice restaurants, and hotels, plus it is in Florida so it is also warm and orangey. lol
Ah but the French Disney World is near Paris, romance and love, good food and all that. What can America offer? burgers, pepsi or coca cola, fat food...er...sorry fast food? But of course you've got another Paris! :p :D

[King Faticus]

we have Tiramisu too...

[David Beebe]

If you're in Paris, why would one go to Disneyworld?! /boogle :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Kiya]

As I said earlier I doubt I'd like to see Disney world now, and certainly not the one near Paris! :p :D Why on earth did they build it there? :confused:

[Corinthian]

Now if they misrepresent their energy portfolio within SimCity Societies and give a biased view, then I do have a problem with that.

That is exactly my point.

So far, I believe we don't have complete evidence to rule either way.

We would need a list of all available power options in SC:S. As far as I know, we don't have such a list.

Then, we would need to compare that to BP's energy portfolio.

BP's dirty energy portfolio includes gas-fired power plants. (see http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=3050019&contentId=3050072) If there are gas power plants in SC:S, they should be BP, right? Are there gas power plants in SC:S? Are there any screenshots of them? Is that a gas power plant in your screenshot, ManagerJosh?

Still, we have one piece of unsettling evidence from the New York Times Article that all is not as it should be. No one has yet closed the logical loophole on this:

"One wrinkle in the game’s marketing is that relatively clean systems like wind farms, natural gas plants and solar farms are branded with the BP logo, while the dirty options like coal are not. Gas stations in the game also carry the BP brand." [emphasis added]

The author notes that this is a "wrinkle". What do you think a "wrinkle" is relative to that statement?

The dirty options in the game that BP owns, operates, or builds in real life should be branded BP accordingly. So far, I believe, we all agree on that.

Anyway, sorry I got off track - what about Disneyland? :)

[Cartpusher]

I wish I could remember the exact numbers, but I read an article about BP that said that they have spent (not sure of time frame) about 60 million dollars on alternative energy source R&D while spending over 5 billion dollars on oil exploration and development.

I don't think their heart is really in it yet. Their wallet certainly isn't.

One of the things that I didn't like about the original Sim City was that it seemed to force me into building light rail to keep growing. This was a game bias that is not reflected in real life and seemed like propaganda to me.

I won't be buying SC Societies if includes global warming propaganda. Global warming is still, at best, a theory...and at worst, a religion that allows no heresy.

[Talshiarr]

Couldn't they make it visible but less "in your face"? For crying out loud a green BP flower with a white background on a purple solar power building/tower? That looks so slap-dashed and out of place it makes my eyes water. If that screenshot is from the last few weeks, either there is a good amount of texturing work left to do or there are going to be some unpleasant looking scenes at times. This was the specific shot I was talking about, and the dusk lighting might be part of it, but the BP logo doesn't even have the same ambient material properties as the rest of the building objects.

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_186569.jpg
http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_186567.jpg

[ManagerJosh]

I think Romulan intelligence is going to need to investigate this one :D

[King Faticus]

I assume they have to set logos as 'full bright' as part of the contract... cannot obscure it I mean...

[deathtopumpkins]

Don't come here. I would do anything to get out of here!

But if I was in Paris, I wouldn't want to go to disney world either, David.

[Rnett]

I assume they have to set logos as 'full bright' as part of the contract... cannot obscure it I mean...

Of course not, it will be etched onto your screen even after turning it off. Sort of like a night light..... http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/a035.gif

[Sim Nation]

So what if i dont want BP in my cities ?

Oh i forgot Ea s answer to that, would be , then dont buy SCS , thanks for supporting the series for 20 years , we dont need you anymore so F you .

I am disgusted in EA again for rinsing Sim City like they have done here , i realy do hope the god of commerce Mercury punishes them for their crimes, against PC gamers and Pc gaming in general , i used to realy admire EA and what they did , although the more i learn of them and their grabbing ways ,i am starting to dislike EA very much .
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[King Faticus]

could mod it out but I wouldn't have the energy to do it

[Tinkerbell]

Lions & tigers & bears ~ Oh my!

[King Faticus]

no the real threat are the witches;)

[Sim Nation]

Have a architectural finial installed , it deters the witches from landing on one s roof ,with their broomsticks ;) .

Well as regards the wildlife tinkerbell , companies like BP and EA would sell the grass from under them for a few extra bucks , if it was left to companies like these the prolly be no lions ,tigers or bears left .
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[King Faticus]

and no dodos either.... :eek:

[Hoplite]

Well, there goes every other theory of why there are no dinosaurs anymore. BP went back in time to kill all the prehistoric critters, so they would have oil in the future. But our Friendly Green company would never do that right?

[King Faticus]

well in this case I don't mind... nothing like the friendly neighborhood T-Rex coming to eat your dog-children-mailman lol

[Hoplite]

A dinosaur ate the mail man... actually that might explain alot :D
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/291829,CST-NWS-mail11.article

[JuliaSet]

It is quite likely that someone will mod such things for those who want a change.

[ManagerJosh]

I wonder if it will be locked to prevent it from happeing...:-X

[thegrad]

That would be bad, but I bet it would get lots of downloads.

[King Faticus]

then edit out the lock lol.. I know I know.. I make it sound easy lol

[Sim Nation]

Terrible , but not as bad as Earth imploding due to all the massive viods BP ! have left behind them .;)

China now consumes Coal at between 3-7 million earth years per annum .
Oil and Gas has a limited supply , even Uranium ore essential in nuclear power is a limited resource , world demand will outpace supply in the comming years.

Man faces some serious challenges discovering the energies of the future , and the best BP can come up with is a windmill ! ,lmao ..
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[King Faticus]

lolol careful Windmills are sacred here :p :D

[Sim Nation]

http://www.t-web.co.uk/bigmill.jpg

While Windy is watching the sails turn, Jonathan Bell arrives with some corn to grind. Windy offers him some cider but farmer Bell is driving so declines and Windy drinks the cider alone... Meanwhile, in Camberwick Green Mickey Murphy receives two large orders for cakes but finds he has run out of flour, so drives off to Colley's Mill with his children who find Windy asleep (having drunk too much cider). They wake him up but find that the wind has dropped and the sails have stopped. They try and whistle up the wind, but with no success. Then the Pippin Fort boys drive past and Windy flags them down for assistance. When they all whistle the sails start to turn.
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[King Faticus]

hahaha sounds like it will be fun keeping those wind power plants going?

[ManagerJosh]

Time for someone to break out the cold fusion reactors :D

[Hoplite]

In SCS terms societal energy conversion to power (A BP Logo with a smiley face overlayed)

[John-SJ]

Time for someone to break out the cold fusion reactors :D
With BP's logo, no doubt. :rolleyes:

[panthersimcity4]

Honestly, the only screenshot I found to be realistically acurate was the BP plant with the smoke stacks.

[ManagerJosh]

Honestly, the only screenshot I found to be realistically acurate was the BP plant with the smoke stacks.
Why is that?

[panthersimcity4]

Why is that?

Cause I hate BP :P

I don't know why, just the fact they're an oil company. I'll still buy the game though.

[Romaq]

Cause I hate BP :P

I don't know why, just the fact they're an oil company. I'll still buy the game though.

Oy...
http://www.mik-maq.com/-/Monk-Bonk.gif
"Pie jesu domine, dona eis requem" *smack* (Oh Lord Jesus, give them rest!)

Thou (meaning BP) art guility of attempting to gain money through lawful means. Thou (BP) shalt pay the penalty of contempt, for no good deed goes unpunished!

[Sim Nation]

Its all very well sitting here poking fun at BP , but the real issue is they way EA have commercialized Sim City i think it sucks beyond hard , and just shows what a cheap greedy bunch EA realy are , i play SC to get away from the real world , and to relieve the pressures of RL ,to relax and have fun, i dont want to be forced to look at these advertisements ,looking at bp logo isnt relaxing ,it reminds me i have work to do.

I have pop up blockers and spam blockers to stop the ads on the net , now it looks like i goto mod my own spam blockers for Sim City .

Clean energy ,lets get this right , BP make ?45 billion a year ,i could be wrong , with that kind of money , they could employ over 43 million employees from lesser developed countries and pay each $400 a week to , basicly pedal a fixed wheel bicycle to generate electricity from a dynamo , lmao .
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[deathtopumpkins]

The newest form of 'clean' energy. Although I bet they wouldn't be very clean after sitting there pedaling on the bicycle all day. :rolleyes: :D

[tobing]

Its all very well sitting here poking fun at BP , but the real issue is they way EA have commercialized Sim City i think it sucks beyond hard , and just shows what a cheap greedy bunch EA realy are , i play SC to get away from the real world , and to relieve the pressures of RL ,to relax and have fun, i dont want to be forced to look at these advertisements ,looking at bp logo isnt relaxing ,it reminds me i have work to do.

I have pop up blockers and spam blockers to stop the ads on the net , now it looks like i goto mod my own spam blockers for Sim City .

Very good point.

[ManagerJosh]

FYI, for dial up users. I posted up the images now. Finally found them at the EA's site.

http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/browseimages.php?c=59

[Corinthian]

1.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3391&c=59

Where's the BP logo on these babies, eh? Maybe they aren't part of BP's portfolio. Aren't these power plants of some kind?

2.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3387&c=59

Or in this screen? Who's logo is that reddish diamond shape? Maybe that isn't a power building. It does pop up in many of the dirtier looking towns. Again, no power plants here?

3.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3386&c=59

How about here? There's that reddish diamond shaped logo again.

4.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3145&c=59

Definitely won't be one here. Why? Is BP really not a dirty energy company, after all? That's the impression I'm getting from the screenshots.

5.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3905&c=

Some power options on a build menu with the Capitalist filter on. Haven't yet seen a good, clear, in-game closeup of a coal plant, oil, natural gas, or biomass. Does BP build and/or operate any of those?

6.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3901&c=

Solar panels on top of some of these buildings, along with a cube that has the BP logo on it.

7.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3789&c=

I reckon that'll be another BP logo on the 50's gas station in the freeform build menu.

8.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3785&c=

Here's where you choose the BP-logo'd solar buildings shown in image 6, above. As an aside, it would be cool to be able to retrofit buildings with solar panels, rather than have to build them as solar powered buildings from the get-go.

9.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=4166&c=59

What is this building? It is clearly a power plant of some kind, but I couldn't match it up with any of the types of power plants in the above build menu, image 5.

That's enough for now, I guess. I looked at every screenshot posted on ManagerJosh's excellent site for these. It seems that of all the screenshots we have thus far, none shows a dirty power option with BP's logo on it, unless image 9, above, is such an option.

BTW, how do yous guys put the image directly into the post? If someone tells me how, I'd redo this post with images, rather than links.

[Kiya]

Corinthian, is this what you mean? http://uoem.com/gallery/files/1/scsocpcscrnmodpowerplant.jpg
I use the 'insert image' thing (it looks like a landscape):

[Corinthian]

Kiya, thank you for your reply.

I used that too, but I get a pop up window asking for a url, which I enter, and which shows up in my reply window as "http:\\etc.etc", and then shows up in my posts as just a link.

Are you using quick reply?

[JuliaSet]

Its not "insert image" but down below the window you type in, as "manage attachment."

[ManagerJosh]

If you actually look at my gallery, and paste in the text from the option "bbcode" you can just dump it in here and vBulletin will process it. It's there for a reason :D

[Rnett]

Try the paperclip icon.:D

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[Kiya]

Sorry guys, I did use 'insert image' thing, because that lets you do *pic text pic text.....*. Where as if you use 'manage attachments' you have all of your text first and then all of the pics in a 'lump'.

[Azeem]

The first one looks like a nuclear power facility and the other buildings shown seem to be refineries of some sort.

[John-SJ]

/me sighs

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsimcitysocieties.wordpres s.com%2F2007%2F10%2F22%2Fexclusivo-dicas-para-deixar-sua-cidade-menos-poluente%2F&langpair=pt%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

The link is to a page in Portugese translated into english.

Unfortunately, as I read more about SC:S I feel less inclined to buy it. Now, according to the linked article, SC:S is to be a sort of teaching tool for the causes and preventions of greenhouse gases.

Oh, really? According to whose scientific model, Al Gore's? HA!

I'm sorry, but if I want to learn about global warming I will do it on my own, and not take as truth whatever is being fed to me by a videogame.

I know this isn't TM's fault, but me bothering to buy this game is becoming less likely with each new revelation about its content. :(

[Rnett]

So let me guess, after you create a greenhouse and burn a hole in the atmosphere, then you can build a bunch of BP windmills to save the day.http://bestsmileys.com/misbehaving/10.gif

[John-SJ]

Yeah, I'm guessing that's the idea. Build the BP branded buildings and have a nice clean city. Fail to do so and create environmental havoc.

I think the free game idea is looking pretty good about now.

[Agamemnus]

That's not a nuclear powerplant.. looks like an electrical substation of some sort..

[Sim Nation]

Ha so this is EA s bit to save the world , and secure there reputation as a caring green company . Lmao , how come all big business and goverments use the threat of global warming to increase profits , like EA have just done .
My goverment thinks its thier ozone , and they charge me more for the privilage of punching holes in it . How will charging me more , then spending the profit on 3 jags ever save the ozone . You know im not as stupid as they think i am :confused: .

And your all wrong , again -0o , The first image is of a Gingerbread Bakery :o

Im getting quite exited now as the is only a few weeks to release, then i get to open this baby up .

Let BP and EA add thier contraptions , you know these wind towers ,in rl cost a fortune to make and install , and a fortune to maintain as wind turbulance bashes them , and they arent realy tall enough to be totaly efficient . I realy dont think wind power ,is the answer to the worlds power needs in the 21st century . However its just a game , *Not Realistic* as stated by TM top dog .

So none of it realy matters and its all just made up and fiction anyway .
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[King Faticus]

wind is too unpredictable and each fan only produces only a little bit even then... you would need huge fields of them to power a small town....
ohh and I bet in the future there wont be space for many fields of worthless fans either...
So none of it realy matters and its all just made up and fiction anyway .
every game is o_0 even the ''historically accurate'' ones

[deathtopumpkins]

1.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3391&c=59

Where's the BP logo on these babies, eh? Maybe they aren't part of BP's portfolio. Aren't these power plants of some kind?

2.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3387&c=59

Or in this screen? Who's logo is that reddish diamond shape? Maybe that isn't a power building. It does pop up in many of the dirtier looking towns. Again, no power plants here?

3.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3386&c=59

How about here? There's that reddish diamond shaped logo again.

4.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3145&c=59

Definitely won't be one here. Why? Is BP really not a dirty energy company, after all? That's the impression I'm getting from the screenshots.

5.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3905&c=

Some power options on a build menu with the Capitalist filter on. Haven't yet seen a good, clear, in-game closeup of a coal plant, oil, natural gas, or biomass. Does BP build and/or operate any of those?

6.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3901&c=

Solar panels on top of some of these buildings, along with a cube that has the BP logo on it.

7.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3789&c=

I reckon that'll be another BP logo on the 50's gas station in the freeform build menu.

8.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3785&c=

Here's where you choose the BP-logo'd solar buildings shown in image 6, above. As an aside, it would be cool to be able to retrofit buildings with solar panels, rather than have to build them as solar powered buildings from the get-go.

9.
http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=4166&c=59

What is this building? It is clearly a power plant of some kind, but I couldn't match it up with any of the types of power plants in the above build menu, image 5.

That's enough for now, I guess. I looked at every screenshot posted on ManagerJosh's excellent site for these. It seems that of all the screenshots we have thus far, none shows a dirty power option with BP's logo on it, unless image 9, above, is such an option.

BTW, how do yous guys put the image directly into the post? If someone tells me how, I'd redo this post with images, rather than links.

Well, we've already discussed this, and BP definately is still a dirty energy company.
I've never used the insert image thing, i usually upload them as attachments, or use photobucket.

[Poetic]

I think some people on here are taking this too far. I mean, c'mon! It's a society builder! It's great news that they are allowing us to create as custom made of a society as possible! Want a liberal society where the air is looked after, the economy is socialist, religion is outlawed? Great! Or maybe a libertarian society where the air isn't regulated, capitalism is the key value, and free rights are most important? Great also!

I think this is a good step in the right direction to allow a very customizable society builder. I've been hoping that they would also feature a universal healthcare program that the user can enforce which would 1) increase health of all citizens, 2) decrease citizen income and make citizens mad about increased taxes. This would, of course, cause a reward/punishment system and the player would decide (no doubt using their own political beliefs as well as in-game factors (are taxes already too high?)) if it is appropriate or not.

As for it including BP, I thought most city-building fans wanted more RL buildings in their city-building games? Besides, it's not like air pollution, alternate energies, air control ordinances, and an environment meter, etc... weren't also offered in SC4.

[John-SJ]

Poetic, I assume the last paragraph of your post is in response to my concerns. If so, all I can say is that you have missed my point. No problem, enjoy your game.

[Poetic]

Poetic, I assume the last paragraph of your post is in response to my concerns. If so, all I can say is that you have missed my point. No problem, enjoy your game.

I didn't even read your post... the last part (about RL buildings) was going off of concerns I've seen at Simtropolis.

Update:

I take that back - I think it was actually Sim Nation's post I was replying to about the commercialization of SCS. CU, for example, is supposed to include in-game commercial advertisements too. I think the city-building genre is the only game genre that actually benefits from RL advertisements (because it adds realism).

As for your post, I do agree that global warming isn't an exact science, but I also think (this being a game) it is good to be able to regulate clean air vs. business rights, because it adds a political feel to it (which is great for a modern society-builder). I agree that it could turn into a "teaching tool," and perhaps add a sense of one-sided political propaganda. That is why I think everything should have a punishment/reward system. I hope if you decide not to include these clean air initiatives (ordinances, although the article didn't mention anything to this effect) in SCS, then business will be positively affected (which would be the reward), but that (unfortunately) probably won't be the case - I do know the plants negatively impacts the budget of the player (based on the article), but that doesn't seem far enough in terms of impacting the in-game citizens.

But smog and environmental concerns affected SC4 too, so besides the addition of BP brand name and (yes, shameless) self-promotion, and a few new disasters (droughts, heat waves, etc...) the effects probably won't be that drastically different as in SC4 where alternative energy power plants were made available at increased cost.

[Azeem]

I agree with Poetic's statements here.

I think SCS is getting too much flak over the BP issue. Now I'm NOT happy that BP has its dirty hands on SCS (and I certainly do NOT like having actual corporate presences in any games regardless of what type of game it is), but several other popular games impose a certain point of view on its players. Stardock's "Galactic Civilizations" practically forces players to conform to the developer's personal views of civilization development and real politik, which was expressed in one of the developer's journals; going any other route ends up causing the player to lose out in the end. Sid Meier's "Civilization" series has always had a bias towards Western civilization and was originally developed with a Cold War mentality (Sid Meier himself admitted this). Lionhead Studios uses a certain perspective on morality in their "Black&White" and "Fable" games. These games all have obvious biases, but they're great games nonetheless; they have their detractors because of these biases (especially prevalent among debates in the Civilization fan community), but they still offer much in the area of entertainment. Developers have a point of view and such points of views are going to manifest in one way or another. Players *should* be smart enough to make their own minds about things; simply playing a videogame isn't going to magically sway opinions.

[John-SJ]

Azeem,

I certainly am smart enough to make up my own mind, and I have. I greatly dislike what EA has done and have decided to voice my displeasure the best way possible in a capitalist society, by witholding my $$$.

[panikattak]

One wrinkle in the game’s marketing is that relatively clean systems like wind farms, natural gas plants and solar farms are branded with the BP logo, while the dirty options like coal are not. Gas stations in the game also carry the BP brand.

nytimes 10-10-07 (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/arts/10sims.html?ref=business)

I think this article is what started the ruckuss.

[ManagerJosh]

I wonder if this is a Natural gas plant. Or if it is a dirty plant in general.

http://uoem.com/gallery/files/1/Cyberpunk03.jpg

[panikattak]

Link (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsimcitysocieties.wordpres s.com%2F2007%2F10%2F22%2Fexclusivo-dicas-para-deixar-sua-cidade-menos-poluente%2F&langpair=pt%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8)



This is a Google translated page describing new features of Societies. If you scroll down to where it describes coal plants vs hydrogen/coal plants, you will see two pictures of power plants. If you zoom in on both plants, you will see the BP logo on both. If you scroll down a little farther, you will see a picture of a natural gas plant which is the power station in the picture you posted ManagerJosh, which also has a BP logo on it but it's on the other side on that page but clearly visable in the pic you posted. Even further, every power plant on that page has a BP logo on it. Interestingly enough, however, the carbon exchange building, the biggest propoganda building I've seen so far, does not have a BP logo on it.

What does it all mean?

I hope it means that EA and BP did the right thing and minimized the BS that naturally comes along with moves like this.



EDIT: I looked closer and I think I have to retract what I said. Both plants shown are coal/hydrogen plants. Too bad as I was hoping this was going to be a good sign.

LINK (http://forums.worldsims.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=3786&c=)

[Rnett]

I hope it means that EA and BP did the right thing and minimized the BS that naturally comes along with moves like this.

Even all the different solar houses have the BP logo on them...:rolleyes:

[Sim Nation]

Poetic ,was this written in your opinion or fact , well if its your opinion ,il just remind you its as worthless to me as anyone elses ,-) .

You sound like you work in advertising to be honest , i personaly didnt want product placement in Sim City , i dont think it adds anything to the realism factor , something you suggest i was campaigning for ? . I dont think PP adds realism ,just advertisements . Actualy the devs stated that the game was not trying to persue a realistic approach ,i dont understand how , a bp logo makes it all suddenly realistic , and the devs origonal statements are forgotten.

Propaganda , ive never realy experienced it first hand ,until jioning these forums .

As regards realistic , well the above image doesnt look any more realistic with the bp logo , than without imho .

I dont think EA have added product placement in SCS to add realism for the player rofl ,i think its just about making a few extra million bucks to be honest .

Imho BP only jioned the BWEA less than 10 months ago ,as britians largest company and energy supplier they had no chioce , the world wants cleaner energy , not bp imho . So if BP hadnt of jioned the BWEA then some other supplier would of taken the position , again i feel BP s move was more about securing a market sector , which as appeared as a growing concern ,before some other company does.

Im not critisicing BP for trying to go green , even though it is a business move , but i am unhappy that they have poluted sim city .
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[Azeem]

Propaganda , ive never realy experienced it first hand ,until jioning these forums .



You'd have to have lived in a cave for the last few decades NOT to have experienced propaganda in one way or another.

[ney94]

Lol whu is everybody moaning about BP, were getting the game and EA gets money from BP to put there stupid logo in the game everybody wins:) but id rather they werent in it i mean are you REALLY gonna put a stupid win turbine in your garden:mad: ?

[deathtopumpkins]

I agree with saying that this is all gone a little too far. BP's in the game, its fair now since the logo's on dirty options, so get over it. It's not like you will suddenly go blind from seeing the BP logo in a game, or that its like subliminal advertising or something. It's completely fair now, so I think we should drop it. panicattack and ManagerJosh, thank you for clearing that up.

[bpsucks]

You can download new buildings (and the bp truck) without BP logos over in the mods section.