TM Employees, please look here. Big idea for a future SimCity.

[Deep Thought]

Dear drones of Tilted Mill,

This is a suggestion, no, not a suggestion, a whole description of a future game in the genre City Creating. Do you know a game devolper from another gaming company, please copy this and send it to them.

Well, here it is:

SIMCITY ANYTHING

1. SOCIETIES
2. INFRASTRUCTURE
3. NATIONALITIES AND CULTURES
4. ZONING
5. 3D
6. SIMS AND DRIVING
7. INTERFACE
8. NETWORK GAMING
9. EDITING AND MODIFYING
10. DISASTERS, CLIMATE AND EVENTS
11. REGION AND EARTH PLAY
12. CITY EXPANDING
13. MISCALLENOUS

1. In SCS, the different societies went after different society filters (Romantic, Authorian, Fun, CyperPunk). In SCA, it will go after the six different social values (Productivity, Wealth, Creativity, Spirituality, Obeience and Knowledge). They will have different sub-catgories each. The sub-catagories means that you will use the different social values for a special direction. These are the different:

Productivity
-Farming
-Metal Casting (Really dirty)
-Food
-Petrochemical (Recycled plastic recommended)
-Toys (Hire kids to lower the cost)
-Hi-Tech
-Harbour
-Green House (So you can plant bananas in Sweden for example)
-Waste

Wealth
-Offices (Producing)
-Shopping (Consuming)

Creativity
-Music
-Drama
-Perfoming
-Art
-Literature
-Game Design
-Theme Park
-Creepy

Spirituality
-Christianity
-Islam
-Judaism
-Hinduism
-Buddhism
-Chinese (Dao and Conficus)
-Shinto
-Norse (The religion of the vikings)
-Egyptian
-GrecoRoman
-Indiana (Mayan, Incan, Aztec)
-Crystalism (Means that the whole cosmos of the sims is controlled by a computer, which it actually is)

Obidience
-Nazism (Exterminate one kind or more of sims, like f. ex. mimes or norse missionaries)
-Orwellianism/Fascism (Big Brother is watching you)
-Communism (The gap between rich and poor will decrease, in cost of living standard)
-Technocracy (Everything will be controlled by a super computer. No human errors. No human empathy)
-Ecotopia (One car and child per family maximum)
-Democracy (Your sims might not be free, but they at least feel so)
-Fundamentalistism (All laws will be based on the Bible/Corane/Tora etc.)
-Monarchy (You're the King)
-Extreme-Capitalism (You will only be tolerated by the society if you're rich. Or else you will be dumped to the streets)
-Police (Police Stations, Prisons, Crime Predicting AI)
-Warfare (Attack one of the other cities to take over it)

Knowledge
-Physichs
-Chemistry
-Astronomy
-Biology
-Technology
-Rocket Science
-Genetics
-Medicine (Hospitals, Medical Experiments, Med. Industries)
-Biology
-Ecology (The waste zones will go recycling)
-Education
-Philosophy

So, you might not just want to focus on religion, but also on a specific religion. For instance.
To see how more how the societies works, look at the chapters 4 and 12.


2. "I have pipe line shaped like a square.""Well, I have one shaped like a rectangle."
That is not me, I can tell you. Because come on, how funny is it to fibbling with taxes, subways, electrical lines etc. (Yawning). When I got SCS, those chains where broken and I was released. So it should be here too. When you're laying out a zone, you see texts like "Water pipes layed out" and "Fiberobtic lines layed out", which means your secretary of infrastructure will do the job for you.
Railways are back, but when you plop down a train station, the railways will be layed out by themslelves. They will pass the cargo zone to have goods station right next. But if there is buildings in its pass, then it will go underground.
What's back is also highways. It has more room for vehicles, they can go faster thereand it gives 1 productivity per km, but no one wants a venue or a home near them, plus that they're real polluters. Of course you can build them underground. They're not doing any effect above ground, but it cost more money.
You can also turn, bend, curve and twist the roads how much you want to. And still the building are automaticly fitting after the roads. No matter if they're in a triangular net or in slalom or even in a loop in vertical axis :eek: . And you can also make roundabouts. From these small ones, that trucks can run over, to huge ones that covers the whole city (Of course you can build inside them to. And you also have most of the freedom on water. So now you can finally make crossroad bridge. Speaking of bridges, there will be 1000 plus one kinds of bridges. Everything from footbridges over tiny rivers, to the most mindblowing strucures the sim has ever known, over very majestic, hardly tamed oceans. The bridge will also change, matter on what kind of society the surrounding area is mostly dominant of, and what nationality your playing (See more in chapter 3) So the bridges actually tells what city you're building.
The micro-management of the game hasn't disappeared completely. When you start a new city, these are the different modes you can play in:
-Classic (All mic-man. features from SC4 plus fiber optic cords and gas pipes)
-Creative (As I explained in the two first "bars" in this chapter)
-Double (You play both modes from above. Pretty challenging)
-Co-operative (See chapter 8)


3. "SimCity is overall a game for americans."
That's true. Something we europeans (I'm swedish) know much about. Therefor, when you start a new city, you should be able to be able to select between these types:
-Canadican
-American
-Latino American
-Carribean
-Brazilian
-Scandinavian
-Brittish
-Romantic (France, Benelux, Italy)
-Pyrényian (Spain, Portugal)
-Central European (From Helgoland, Germany to East Hungary)
-Balkan (Former Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria)
-Russian (Whole Former Soviet)
-East Medditerean (Greece, Turkey, Cyprus, Israel)
-Arabic (North Africa and Middle East)
-Indian
-Asian
-Pacific
-Central African
-South African
-Ancient Egyptian
-Ancient Mediterrian
-Ancient Scandinavian (VIKINGS!)
-Ancient Arabic (Thousand and One Night)
-Ancient Indiana (Americas before the europeans came)
-Medival European
-Medival Asian
-Future American (JETSON!!!)
-Future European (With Deep Thought :D )
-Future Japanese (Sci-fi Manga)
So for example: If you choose american, the Theme Park Zone will become DisneyLand. But if you choose Scandinavian, it will become Tivoli, Copenhagen.
Not just the Architecture will change, but also the rules, the habits and moods of the sims, if the city needs electricity or not, the chance of becoming a special sim etc. One funny thing is that if you choose Scandinavian, you won't be a mayor, but municipal councillor (Kommunfullmäktige on swedish :D ).


4. I've never been so fond of the zoning concept, because you never knew what was coming up. I thought that was very disturbing. But then SCS came and changed my life. I could plop down anything wanted in my city, but there was one problem. They're in different size, so you didn't got that smoothline of the block. Plus that many others thought searching through the list of buildings got pretty boring after a while.
To solve all problems I introdoce; Smart Zones.
This is how it works:


There are four kinds of Zones; Home, Away, Cargo and Air.

Away Zones work like this: You begin to zone where want to. The zone will be surrounded by a road (Of course you can remove that). Then a window will pop up. You select what kind of zone it should be of the different kinds of sub-catagories in the different social values (See chap. 1), plus that you can also decide how much the percentage between workplaces and venues. You can also make sure there are collective traffic stations i your zones. When you click OK, the area starts to take shape. Over time you see the building are slowly constructed. And then, finally, it's done. You see that the buildings has fited for the the landscape and the shape of the zone. Through the zone, there is a smooth pathway that takes you to all buildings in the area.

Home Zones work like this: Zone. You have the same freedom as the Away Zone. It's when the window that pops up that is the difference. Thes are the different styles/architectures/types:
-Authorian (Makes the habitants in mood go to pleased)
-Normal
-Classic
-Slummy
-Candyland
-Bo01 (Search for it at Google Pictures if you don't know)
-Greco-Roman
-Rural Asian/Buddhist
-Medival
-Ancient Scandinavian
-Ancient Egyptian
-Ancient Indiana
-Ancient Indian
-Christian
-Muslim
-Jewish
-Hindu
-Luxury
-Future
You also have different options like if they should have sun cells on the roof (More expensive, but needs no outer electricity), or how dense the area should be (Left for tree houses, right for 1000 m tall sleeping tubes). I recommend you to start with low density first. When you click on a finish-built Home Zone, you can take the alternative to make it a slightly denser. You can also choose to let the zone have a local recycling station. This is easier for people who live in apartments, but it is much likely it will be overfilled, if you don't make sure the garbage men will pick it up at least twice a week.

You can also select to have Home and Away in the same zone. Actually, you can have a shop and an apartment in the same building. You click on the round button between the "Home" and the "Away" one. Then you zone and a window will pop up and ask you how the balance between homes, workplaces and venues (F. ex. 30% h:s, 21% w:s, 49% v:s). Then both of the two window wil pop up at the same time.

Ever wondered where all stuff comes from? Well edit a zone called Cargo Zone. It is here all goods from outside comes and being packaged and send to the workplaces, venues and homes. All recycled material comes here, to then be brought to the different factories.

Airports are back and have its old role; It's expensive, you don't need it, but it boost the production of wealth and more tourist will come to your city.

You can also put in accessories to your zones.
These are the different accessories for Away Zones:
-Subway Station
-Bus Station
-Train Station
-Maglev Station
-Fountain
-Statue
-Hot Dog Stand
-Park (Not Car Park)
-Car Park (Under Ground)
-Wind Mill
-Solar Panel
-7-Eleven (Or familiar)
-Electrical Amplifier
-Market Place/Plaza
-Commercial Sign
-Big TV Screen
-Local Fire Station
-Fire Station
-District Fire Department
These are those accessories, you can ad in a Home Zone:
-Bus Station
-Subway Station
-Playground
-BBQ Grill
-Park
-Car Park (Above and Under Ground)
-Soccer Field (Will be named different after what nationality you choose)
-Grocer
-Wind Mill
-Solar Panel
-Electrical Amplifier
-Public Garden
-Statue
-Fountain
-Maze
All of these accessories have their own special function, but I'm not telling what.


5. When you play SCA, the graphics will be like in SC4. But when you click on building or it's sunrise/sunset, a small window will pop up and show it in 3D. Not just that it looks the same everytime but it's different, depending on where you have the "camera". You can actually edit where this "camera" is going to be at sunrise and sunset. Your computer also calculates where the best picture of your city is going to be. Then you can have that picture as an overview.

6. Well, in SimCity from 1 to 4, your sims where just a number to you. But then SCS came and made the city more individual. It could measure his/her mood, name, what he/she is going to do and if he/she is a special sim or not. In the next game they will also have different personalities and ambitions. So if for example, Anna Miller has the knowledge ambition, she is more willing to work at a genetic area, rather than in a fundamentalistic.
Wanna drive? No problem, just select a car and drive around. A 3D window will now also pop up, just that it is a little bit bigger. You can also change the view. If it's going to be from the driver's view, or from back, or just in front of the car etc. When it comes to select the car it goes from five values: Speed, Acceleration, Grip, Toughness and Enviromental Protection (Yes, even your own little drive-around has an effect to global warming). And because the zones are melting in with the roads, so are the cars always existing. From the time it has been bought in the car salesman, to the time when it is going to be crashed in the dump, it will never dissappear.

7. Look at the attachment. 1 pic says more than 1000 words.

8. Some SimCity fans have before mentioned about multi-playing. By winning with the biggest and richest city. But I think that you should be able to set for other goals, for example most happy sims, when each city hits a specific number of inhabitants.
Another mode in multiplayer, is Chaos Mode. This means that two or more players are playing on one city at the same time (!). Two players with two different playing styles will make a completely absurde city.
Another mode is co-operative mode; One player takes care of the society, the another takes care of the micro-management.
You can also look on other players creations, from all over the world. You can also select to download them and use them yourself.


9. The God Mode is back. And there are three new tools you can use in this terraforming tool. Waterfalls, caves and jungle (Cover the whole city with a forest with thousands of unknown plants). Just like in SC-2000, the water is in different elevations, you just click the water button and then you can fill the holes with massive rain cloud.
In previous SimCity games, their BAT:s were difficult to use and hard to find. In SCA on the other hand, it is availble in the start screen of the game itself.
When you open it, there will be six editors, Building, Plants, Sims, Vehicles, Textures and Decorations. The editors will remind of the one you find in Spore.
-Building; Here you select texture, decorations, what social group it belongs to and what it requiers to unlock this (See chapter 12). You can also edit new sub-catagories and even new social values.
-Plant; Remember that jungle I mentioned before? Use this editor if you're not pleased. Does also remind of the one in Spore.
-Sim; Here, you can edit anything that is mostly involved with your cities inhabitants. Special Sims, clothes, accessories (Toys, cars, movies etc.), ambitions, personality values etc. Reminds of The Sims editor, just that it is more advanced.
-Vehicle; Well, here you can edit anything that moves. Everything from segways to "Enterprise"s. Reminds of the Spore Vehicle editor.
-Texture; Walls, patterns, grounds, clothes etc.
-Decoration; Doors, windows and other additions for buildings. Flowers and fruits for plants. Hats, watches etc. for sims. Wheels, lights, engines and so on for vehicles. This editor simply doesn't make your creations flat and boring.


10. These are the disasters and crises you just click to happen:
-Tornado
-Hurricane
-Earthquake
-Tsunami
-Meteors
-Stock Crash (Less or no W. Producing)
-Idiocratic Revolution (Less or no K. Producing)
-Truth of the Men in Black (Less or No C. Producing)
-Cultural Revolution (Less or no S. Producing)
-Alien Invasion
-Riot (Less or no O. Producing)
-The Sim Flu (Less or no P. Producing)
-Nuclear Explosion (Hiroshima and Nagaski)
-Fire (Put it on a Nuclear Plant and you get Chenobryl)
-Volcano
-Hot
-Cold
-War
-Mass Killer (Kills your sims)
Just like in SC4, you canclick where the disaster should strike. You can also set up how powerful the disaster should be. Have you ever seen "The Day After Tomorrow"? Then you know what is going to happen when you turn the "Cold"-disaster to highest power.
Something that might be better for your city, but you can't control is different events. They give boost a social value or your money making. Here are the different events:
-Simerbowl (Your sims gets better condition)
-SimLand Championships in Soccer (Same effect as in Simerbowl)
-Simovision Song Contest (Boost the Creativity production)
-O-Sim-pics (Double so much moneymaking in all workplaces for a limited time)
-SimLand Expo (Boost the Knowledge Production)
-National Elections of SimLand (Half as many criminals for a limited time)
-Stock Comet (More money and Wealth is produced for a limited time)
Note that all events except the on in bottom, can only happen once a year. The events is going to be decided where to be 6 to 12 months earlier (See Time in chapter 13).
The climate disasters in this game, is something you can't control compeletly. They do happen sometimes, but if you choose to play a high pollutening city, they will strike more often and will become stronger.
These are the different pollutions:
- Smoke and Dust: Sufficates the city, making the sims sick. They can sometimes be so serious, that they can die by them. They also lower the production of wealth.
- Carbondioxide: See above. It also rises the ocean level and the yearly average temprature. Plants also helps preventing the global warming.
- Acids: Produces acid rain, which kills the plants and destroys some of the buildings.
- Radioactive materials: Comes from nukes and vaporized nuclear plants (Fission ones). Causes thing to glow green, nuclear winters and gives your sims cancer and other radiation related diseases.
The seasons are here and they verify what climate it is (Region Mode) or where on the planet the city is (Earth Mode). And they won't just change like that, but the autumn will become winter slowly. And yes, on the winter comes real snow, that the sims must dig away. But also, the sims kan now ski on the mounts and on ground. On the summer, many sims will be located on the beach (If there is one). If there isn't, they can go to the closest one with one of those. Of course, the winter might be skipped if there is more CO2 in the air than usual.


11. There is going to be two worlds you can pace your city in. Earth Mode and Region Mode.
When you select Earth Mode on the start screen a digital clone of Earth (Only difference is that man hasn't effected anything here) will appear. The definition is going to be stunning 5 cm2. Here it reminds of an evolved program of Google Earth. When you want to build a new city, you just click on the red flag and put it where you want build. But you can't build on the Atlantic Ocean, because it's really stormy out there (Yes, the game contains real weather). When you want to start a city, simply click the flag button and place the flag whre you think it's a logical place for your new city.
When you click on the net, if you play here for the first time, a message will pop up and tell what kind of ground the first city is going to be covered of. If you've played here once before or more, your region is going to appear. How to start is just like in SC4. But when you want to put life into your city, the options will be more. You choose nationality (See chapter 3), difficulty (Nightmare, Strategic, Normal, Easy, Sandbox), how many simoleons to start with (10000 to Unlimited) and of course, the name of your city. When you play Region mode you simply add a new city neighboring to one of your older ones. So your region can in outlines remind of an apple and not just a simple square. One city can be as big or small as possible, as long it's square shaped. The square shape of the city fits best in the map. Anew thing is that brdiges over water can cross city borders. Something you could'nt in SC4.


12. Depending on the citys size, the surrounding area, the effect from other buildings, the budget and the additionals in its own zone, it will be decided how advanced, dense and moneymaking the buildings will be. So there will be some strategic planning, when building a city.
When you pop up the Away Zone window, seven values will be showen; Density, Productivity, Wealth, Creativity, Spirituality, Obedience and Knowledge.

Density
Here, it is simply, the bigger town, the taller, larger and more effective buildings. Effect works on Away, Cargo and Air Zones.

Productivity
This one and the five below, will get more advanced as you lay out more zones of that social value. They have these advancity points, and they don't just grow by laying out more zones.
Produced by: Highways, very happy sims, recycled materials, slum homes (Edited architecture type), some of the accessories
Effects: More effective Cargo Zone. Power plants produces more electricity. Worplaces makes more money. Decrease the happiness effect in the venues. Unlocks some of the accessories.

Wealth
Office Zones makes the shops in your town to work.
Produced by: Huging Campians (They do in RL prevent poverty), stock comets, economical resarch zones (Edited Knowledge Zone), airports, some of the accessories
Effects: As your sims can afford more now, they will become happier. Your sims will also consume more, making Mother Nature taking a big hit. Unlocks some of the accessories.

Creativity
The more you lay out of these zones, the more happiness the venues will create.
Produced by: Hosting the Simovision Song Contest, some of the accessories
Effects: Different artworks will be edited in the interior of the buildings, making your sims happier. Bigger chance to win and host the SSC. Industries less effective. Unlocks some of the accessories.

Spirituality
Produced by: Ancient and medival cities will get a bonus on all religions (Exception: Crystalism), some of the accessories
Effects: Crime will be lower than usual. Intelligent people will in most religions, be seen as witches. Unlocks some of the accessories.

Obedience
Produced by: These zone sare normally growing faster than the other five because you are leader and it isn't that hard to become a dictator in your city. Some of the accessories.
Effects: Your sims will obey you. Most of your sims won't have a "disturbing" mood like very happy or angry. Your sims will have a restricted creativity. Unlocks some of the accessories.

Knowledge
Produced by: To make these buildings to work, you need an educational area, because to make your sims smart, you need somewhere where your sims can learn things. Hosting the SimExpo, some of the accessories
Effects: All the other zones will become more boost in advancity increase. Risque for mad scientists to appear and create chaos in the city. Risque for poverty will decrease. Unlocks some of the accessories.

Here is an example of how the different values can look like;

D (Tower logo): 264
P (Spade logo): 218
W (Simoleons logo): 244
C (Note logo): 310
S (Local dominant religion logo): 189
O (Local dominant government logo): 201
K (Brain logo): 432
This is probably how Stockholm's statitics would look like in the game.


13. These are the different things that doesn't fit in any of these chapters above.
-- There are now many different kinds of artists and not just rockstars. Here are the different music types:
-Rock
-Pop
-RNB
-Opera
-Folk
-Synth
-Country
-Odd
-Hiphop
-Jazz
-Ballad
-- As you could figure out now, the grid is removed.
-- If a building gets abandoned, it will directly in most cases be re-built with that fault restored. If not, like for example, there is not enough elctricity, a message will pop-up and tells you what to do.
-- For each building in each nationality, there will be at least 10 different architectures. So now, the repeating might not be gone, but it's at least one step forward.
-- The Sims aren't speaking simlish anymore. But, yes, FINNISH!!
KYLLÄ! HYVVÄ, HYVVÄ, SUOMI! :p
-- Electricity; The power lines are back, but they will be layed out automaticly. They're ugly and takes space, but you can solve that.
These are the different power plants:
-Coal
-Oil
-Fission
-Solar
-Wind
-Hydro (Try to find a place that is logical for a damm)
-Wave (Out at sea)
-Garbage
-Bio Fuel
-Fusion
-Anti Matter
-Hydrogen
-Microwave
-Gun Powered (All of the town's guns are used to shoot at special board, which vibrates and gives electricty)
-Natural Gas
-Geological (Risk of volcano eruption)
-Man powered (Cruel, but effective)
-Mega Wind (Huge Wind Mill that provides same much electricity as 1000 normal wind mills)
In cities before industrial revolution, your buildings won't be needing electricty.
The sims can also work here.
-- Actions; Pay a special sum to do these different actions:
-Underground highways
-Underground power lines
-Alternative fuels (All cars selled in the car salesmen, will add no CO2)
-Movie premiere
-Sign in for a special event
And so on.
-- When you click the info button, a window with a map of your city will pop up. When you click on one one of the zones, a map of that zone and a little information about it will come up. You can also click away to each building, to see a camera view of the building and some info about it. On the zone map, the service buildings such as hospitals and fire stations, will be marked with big icons. On the city view, the service buildings will have a huge sign on the roof, which tells what building it is. For example, the hospital will be marked with the red cross (Red half moon, if you're playing a muslim city). And how these signs will look like, will change after what city you're playing. This muslim one, gave a pre-taste.
-- In SC, it was fast. In SC2000, it went in months. In SC3000, it went in days. In SC4, it had a day/night-cycle. In SCS, it went very slow. And in SCA, it is EPIC. I'm talking about time. Here, the smallest time unit is milli seconds. Here is the different time speeds:
-Real time (1 sec/sec) (Replacement for Pause)
-Snail speed (1 min/sec)
-Turtle Speed (30 min/sec)
-Bug Speed (1 h/sec)
-Llama Speed (1 day/sec)
-Dog Speed (1 week/sec)
-Gepard Speed (1 month/sec)
-Swallow Speed (1 year/sec) (For those who can't wait)
You can also tailor-make how fast the time will go by right click. F.E. 80 sec/3sec
-- The sims can also work at the venues and some of the accessories. Then they can also work at other homes, as home maids or assistants or alike.
-- You can also select to have Home and Away in the same zone. Actually, you can have a shop and an apartment in the same building. You click on the round button between the "Home" and the "Away" one. Then you zone and a window will pop up and ask you how the balance between homes, workplaces and venues (F. ex. 30% h:s, 21% w:s, 49% v:s). Then both of the two window wil pop up at the same time.


Summary: Well, as you could figure out, the game might not be reality until 10 to 20 years, and at that time, it might require 6 top capacity computers. Please send this to everyone involved with game developing, and then, it might finally reach the SC-Man himself, Will Wright. So I recommend you to send this to a Maxis developer.
And for you who doesn't work for TM, please, do only response with constructive critics, not destructive.
Besides, this is just my 2 centi-simoleons.

Best regards,
Deep Thought

P.S. I could add some more for the new game. D.S.

EDIT 19:50 1st January -08: First, I sorted in the rainbow colours, but now I'm switching to colors that is "magenta, lime, magenta". To make all text visible.

[Ocram]

Sounds complex and fun! I see it heads in a different direction than Cities Unlimited. having options is always good and so is being able to decide your skyline (through plopping). I'd give you a thumbs up, a 10/10 or any form of rating or voting if I could!

[King Faticus]

the colors are hard on my eyes lmao

a lot of it sounds interesting but I don't think that 'most' of it will 'fit'.. might take a few super computers to get it all running. :eek:
also I don't think I want to deal with religions in any game besides black and white.. I play games to ESCAPE some of the RL BS that goes on o_0

lol also I think I prefer them speaking Simmish! :D

PS Please don't post this on ST or EA>_>
(they troll there to attempt to eliminate the SCS community before it can grow)

[PantherX]

I was going to read your post but the colors turned me off. I can not see about 1/3 your text. What I did read sounds, well complicated...

Please remove the color text and I will read through it and give you an honest evaluation. :cool: If not, Ok I will just ignore it :)

[King Faticus]

select the entire post and copy it into notepad or some other writing program
that is what I had to do :eek:

[Techleo]

A rather interesting post:) Though Ill admit I had to cut and paste as well. Some of the words were simply invisible due to shading.

[panikattak]

All you have to do is hightlight all the text and use your scroll wheel to read.

I have read many of your ideas and suggestions in the same form or another in other wish lists for Simcity 5, Urbs Urbis, and Cities Unlimited so I'm sure there are lots of devs who have been exposed to your list already. Who knows, maybe what you want will show up sometime?

[Sim-Maire]

Good and funny Work Deep Thought, ST forums are fullfilled by extremists

[Akodis]

Since this game is going to require hardware that doesn't exist yet, I have another suggestion to add.

Make it so the game is played online, and include a military component, so someone could attack and attempt to destroy someone else's city. Any attacks require an enormous expenditure of resources which drain the attacker's economy and manpower, causing vulnerability to disasters or similar attacks from someone else.

Smaller cities just starting up could enter into alliances with more powerful cities for protection against attacks, introducing diplomatic relations into the game.

Also, one could send tourists to visit other cities with which one has friendly diplomatic relations - exploring someone else's city in realtime. Alternatively, one could send terrorists to disrupt someone else's city, although there is a high probability of interception at the "border".

There could be intercity commerce between friendly cities, immensely profitable to both sides to encourage such cooperation.

[King Faticus]

if it is going to be played online then there needs to be a system to protect people who are much to weak (or new) to defend themselves against a well established 'player' or 'guild' :eek: balancing "PVP" is more difficult than balancing "PVE"

I would hate to see the same bull**** that happens in WOW where a lvl 70 player can and does kill a lvl 30 player four-six times in a row... It is unfair for the LVL 30 and not challanging (and cowardly) for the LVL 70 :rolleyes:

also maybe the 'nations-cities' can be grouped into regions
(nations are made by the player building and linking multiple cities)
some of these regions will allow attacking and defending another region\nation\city and some regions are 'sanctuaries' where the player is safe as long as they 'stay' inside.. they cannot attack defend or be attacked
so people who don't want to fight can play too

maybe players can 'move' from region to region (so they can start safely in a sanctuary region) but have some failsafe so they cannot attack somebody and then retreat to safety in a sanctuary region

Edit: would be cool to be able to 'liberate' individual cities from an opposing nation by focusing your nation's forces on it.. then that city could be added to your nation.

[Deep Thought]

I'm trying to mange an attachment on how the control panel will look like, but there is one problem, it's too big. I made it on Paint. Please tell me how I should do, i've already tried with WordPad. :confused:

[King Faticus]

download a program called gimp and 'scale' the image to the proper proportions
(assuming the pixel size is what you are referring to) save it as a jpg and play with the settings until the size is within the forums limit

[King Faticus]

http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?p=182133#post182133
Cross linking :)

[joe2102001]

if it is going to be played online then there needs to be a system to protect people who are much to weak (or new) to defend themselves against a well established 'player' or 'guild' :eek: balancing "PVP" is more difficult than balancing "PVE"

I would hate to see the same bull**** that happens in WOW where a lvl 70 player can and does kill a lvl 30 player four-six times in a row... It is unfair for the LVL 30 and not challanging (and cowardly) for the LVL 70 :rolleyes:

also maybe the 'nations-cities' can be grouped into regions
(nations are made by the player building and linking multiple cities)
some of these regions will allow attacking and defending another region\nation\city and some regions are 'sanctuaries' where the player is safe as long as they 'stay' inside.. they cannot attack defend or be attacked
so people who don't want to fight can play too

maybe players can 'move' from region to region (so they can start safely in a sanctuary region) but have some failsafe so they cannot attack somebody and then retreat to safety in a sanctuary region

Edit: would be cool to be able to 'liberate' individual cities from an opposing nation by focusing your nation's forces on it.. then that city could be added to your nation.

Isn't that what Civ IV is? Would be cool though.:)

[Akodis]

One last point.

Make it a VR you can actually walk around in (or drive or fly around in), like a holodeck.

:rolleyes:

[PantherX]

select the entire post and copy it into notepad or some other writing program
that is what I had to do :eek:

A rather interesting post:) Though Ill admit I had to cut and paste as well. Some of the words were simply invisible due to shading.

All you have to do is hightlight all the text and use your scroll wheel to read.



You all missed the point but maybe it was not clear. Sorry :rolleyes:

[panikattak]

I got your point. You took the steps to teach netiquet but I chose not to wait for the text change to read it as well as passing onto King Faticus that there is a simple technique for reading that kind text. However, I don't think any of us were obtuse to what you were doing, just we chose to handle it differently.

[Sim Nation]

"You can also turn, bend, curve and twist the roads how much you want to."

lol , i got ridiculed and then banned one time for the mere suggestion of a diagonal road , you wanna be careful making statement like that , could get you into a lot of trouble and gain you some powerful enimies .hehe

Super wish list ,sounds like a sim city-civilisation remix .

Sim-Maire " Good and funny Work Deep Thought, ST forums are fullfilled by extremists"

Hehe , well thats a matter of opinion , depends who s eye s your viewing it through . I see one or two extremists on every online forum including ...


KIng Faticus "PS Please don't post this on ST or EA>_>
(they troll there to attempt to eliminate the SCS community before it can grow)"

Interesting , i been watching the member count to see how much it grew over the last several months , eliminating the 4 bots that jion everyday to post naste(TM should realy put a stop to this , a simple veri code on jioning would stop the bots from posting there filth on here, and tm should take steps to protects its younger members who range from 12 upwards) , anyway id suggest the TM SCS community could be as large as 50-100 right now. With about 10 regular posters on this forum .

King Faticus quote
"I would hate to see the same bull**** that happens in WOW where a lvl 70 player can and does kill a lvl 30 player four-six times in a row... It is unfair for the LVL 30 and not challanging (and cowardly) for the LVL 70 ".


Nobody *realy* gets killed you know , So if bravery isnt a quality required for online gaming , then cowardice cant be an issue either. Stop crying and start dieing is my online moto when it comes to dealing with newbies , how can they ever expect to get better if they dont play the better players. And we all started off as newbies at some piont , its no my fault they suck .

However i do realise the is a problem ,often i sit in an empty room , waiting for 1v1 , people see your level ,win % and avoid the game totaly , then il leave the game go get a special act with low win % i made , and immediately get a game .
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[Sim-Maire]

Sim-Maire " Good and funny Work Deep Thought, ST forums are fullfilled by extremists"

Hehe , well thats a matter of opinion , depends who s eye s your viewing it through . I see one or two extremists on every online forum including ...


KIng Faticus "PS Please don't post this on ST or EA>_>
(they troll there to attempt to eliminate the SCS community before it can grow)"



I answered to King Faticus, since a moment i'm calmed down (je me suis calmé) because let enybody to love its games and its irrelevant to try to convince that SCS is good, when the demo will be released we should see partial moving of opinions about SCS... :)

It seems that it was a SCS demo perhaps more people should buyed it... :rolleyes:

I admit that i worked on WPedia and i constated that WPedia is far to be neutral with CL and SCS, in fact by essensis WPedia is potentially opened for the opinion of the majority at the moment... :eek:

The fact is here internet is the hard rule of the majority, "you are from the minority ? Die !" :( But the majority we can see on internet is not the seeable majority we can see irl happily :)

The extremism is good for nobody, i agree...

[King Faticus]

"You can also turn, bend, curve and twist the roads how much you want to."

lol , i got ridiculed and then banned one time for the mere suggestion of a diagonal road , you wanna be careful making statement like that , could get you into a lot of trouble and gain you some powerful enimies .hehe
o_0 when? tell me a name and I'll ... "annoy" them for hours! :D
I'm jk but it is a fun thought anyways :rolleyes:

Super wish list ,sounds like a sim city-civilisation remix .
I love Civilization so it sounds good to me


Hehe , well thats a matter of opinion , depends who s eye s your viewing it through . I see one or two extremists on every online forum including ...
your right 'extremeism' is in the eye of the beholder.. to some people you look like an extremist too :p
but I am only 'extremist' in my anti ST sentiment.. I otherwise am open to most anything.. I actually play SL more than I visit here o-0 (lol yes that does say something)

PS believe it or not I visited ST a lot before SCS was announced and I still love SC2-3


Interesting , i been watching the member count to see how much it grew over the last several months , eliminating the 4 bots that jion everyday to post naste(TM should realy put a stop to this , a simple veri code on jioning would stop the bots from posting there filth on here, and tm should take steps to protects its younger members who range from 12 upwards) ,Im not really sure what would help myself. .I don't know enough about how the vBulletin works or how bots get past everything.. all I can really do is report them and hope it is dealt with quickly..
TM did update their vBulletin but it doesn't look like it stopped them all...



Nobody *realy* gets killed you know , So if bravery isnt a quality required for online gaming , then cowardice cant be an issue either. Stop crying and start dieing is my online moto when it comes to dealing with newbies , how can they ever expect to get better if they dont play the better players. And we all started off as newbies at some piont , its no my fault they suck . this is only true when the game starts on a 'level' playing feild.. games like AOE for example.. a new player with no victories or losses has about as much chance to beat a seasoned veteren because they start is similar positions.. it is the skill of each player that determines who will win.. and yes playing against 'good' players is best way to improve your own skills.. so long as you learned your lesson (which I don't lol)

but in games like wow a reletivally inexpirianced player could be lvl 70
and the best player in the world could start a new character.. the LVL 70 (as long as they are opposite factions) can and will attack the lvl 1-10 and there is no chance that the 'better player' (IE the new lvl 1-10) can win.. so to me that is unfair.. maybe if there was some sort of limit to what lvl they coudl attack it would solve the problem

A nation is a collection of cities each city makes a player's lvl higher.. 100 cities strong-500 cities strong
and so to protect nations with 10 cities from the enormous nations with 500 there needs to be some limit on 'who' they can attack.. because it doesn't matter how skilled the person with 10 cities is or how inexperienced the player with 500 cities is.. the 10 city nation looses.
lol yes I know "life isn't fair"

then il leave the game go get a special act with low win % i made , and immediately get a game .
and then there was much fun to be had :D

The extremism is good for nobody, i agree...to me extremism is like being 'specialized' while being specialized is not a bad thing.. being 'overspecialized' leaves you weak in other areas..

You all missed the point but maybe it was not clear. Sorry :rolleyes:
nope I got it.. I'm just really impatient at times
PS highlighting the post made it just as difficult for me to read

[flyer2359]

I would like to see some online play aswell. Because then it could be a lot more interesting then any sim city game ever was i especially like the part about attacking and alliances. it would be like the real world then but for the winning aprt you can't really win except if you beat your goals its like any sim city game you never win. But you can loose if u get to far in the -$$$ maybe tm can come out with a patch after patch 3 and add the mutiplayer feature into the game.

[Deep Thought]

Maybe tm can come out with a patch after patch 3 and add the mutiplayer feature into the game.

Or in SCS Destinations.

[King Faticus]

I wouldn't think so.. not in the upcoming expansion anyways

[Deep Thought]

I wouldn't think so.. not in the upcoming expansion anyways

Why do you think so?

[Kiya]

I would like to see some online play aswell. Because then it could be a lot more interesting then any sim city game ever was i especially like the part about attacking and alliances. it would be like the real world ....

I'm not against online playing, why not. But what could the goals be? Attacking and alliances?:confused: You don't mean a game with some building projects to support warfare? Like the real world? I don't want to have the real world with its problems in my games, I have enough of problems to cope with in my real world. I don't mind some problems but wargames are not for me.

[joe2102001]

Just happened to notice, I like your ideas although organizing them may make people more likely to read them. Also I'm not sure refering to TM as drones is going to further your point......

Theres no laughing emoticon so I have to resort to the *LOL*

[Sim Nation]

Wait a mo , hang on , some are getting carried away imho.

Sim city as a war game with armies and bombers and blowing stuff up .:(

I realy wouldnt want to see sim city as a war game , for obvious reasons , the game would totaly and completely ,not that it already isnt ,be like *not* sim city anylonger , the 100 s of war game out there .

I can see how many older players of SC and newer players visions of SC can differ very much, and do .

The idea s here sound cool but dont realy fit my vision of SC , but neither did scs so whats new -) .

Now economic warfare , online play ,players compete in a region to build , competing for sims and businesses trying to bankrupt the other players, or players competing in the same city for overall control , that sounds cool and similar to 1989 sim city , but the idea of blowing stuff up for me in SC is a big no ..

Sorry to be so boring , but with Sim City im just looking for a regular game .
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[Deep Thought]

If you want peace and harmony in your city, just avoid to lay out warfare zones.

Tip: If you want to create a Harry Potter City, combine crystalic zones with creepy, literature and philosophic zones. ;)

EDIT: After all, you should be able to build ANY city Thou (you) want.

[Deep Thought]

I'm double posting?

Anyway, SCA would maybe have a quarter billion constructions, in total. And when (if) the first teaser video comes, it will show different cities never seen before in city simulations. Like the Potter city, retrofuturistic, warzones, jungle Russian, Ancient Atlantis, capitol of music, one HUGE skyscraper in the middle of nowhere etc.
And the background music would probabl be this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsTgajjrL04)

[Sim Nation]

Eurovision Eurotrash- hehe , you know before i wasnt sure , now i know your crazy:D
You should fit in here realy well

While we being silly i think this should be the background music .

Polar Bear Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8j4qSy_Uso&feature=user):D


All graphics in SCA should be rendered using trimetric orthographic projection . Purely to avoid many of the performance
issues that come with full blown 3d . If the game was so great i may be also able to tolarate the fixed camera position.
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[flyer2359]

Wait a mo , hang on , some are getting carried away imho.

Sim city as a war game with armies and bombers and blowing stuff up .:(

I realy wouldnt want to see sim city as a war game , for obvious reasons , the game would totaly and completely ,not that it already isnt ,be like *not* sim city anylonger , the 100 s of war game out there .

I can see how many older players of SC and newer players visions of SC can differ very much, and do .

The idea s here sound cool but dont realy fit my vision of SC , but neither did scs so whats new -) .

Now economic warfare , online play ,players compete in a region to build , competing for sims and businesses trying to bankrupt the other players, or players competing in the same city for overall control , that sounds cool and similar to 1989 sim city , but the idea of blowing stuff up for me in SC is a big no ..

Sorry to be so boring , but with Sim City im just looking for a regular game .
Yeah good point and i like your ideas of online play more than mine because it would actually work.

[King Faticus]

Wait a mo , hang on , some are getting carried away imho.
lol I was throwing out random ideas really. my dream game is about 'building' anything I want to ;) (not just cities)

[Sim Nation]

lol I was throwing out random ideas really. my dream game is about 'building' anything I want to ;) (not just cities)

This dream game wouldnt be called 3ds Max 2008 ,by any chance ?.

Its the only logic i can find ,other than that it sounds like a catch phrase from the film " Life of Brian ".:p

I liked the ideas in general for a game , but not for a Sim City . I have my own visions of how SC should ,play and look and direction but i wont bore you with that .

Not that im ever going to make it , but i can dream ,right ?:D


flyer2359 thx , but i dont think its going to happen , i was just dreaming :o
Truthfully speaking im quite happy with SC as a single player only , i wouldnt want sc turned into a tycoon game no more a rts .

Given a chioce of just one , id choose a sc game that follows a very similar direction ,the differances from 1989 sc to sc4 + additions . Sure id make all these other games aswell , but none the less my main game would be a regular sim city type game.
Maybe EA will persue a regular game one day when they realise SC4 as a 18 million+ customer fanbase . I suppose the new direction was an attempt to sell 40 million .
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[King Faticus]

This dream game wouldnt be called 3ds Max 2008 ,by any chance ?.
good guess but not quite :)
the closest thing to what I want in a game are 'social platforms' like There and Second Life.. and these are still not exactly what I wanted lol

[Deep Thought]

Could someone please tell me why this thread has been moved, and who did it. Now I can't see if someone is giving out a new post. :(:confused:

[King Faticus]

to my knowledge Reed is the only person with the power to move threads
and it probably was moved because there was a better sub forum for it

[panikattak]

Your posts isn't about Simcity Societies, it's about Simcity Anything. The General Discussion Thread is for Societies so your thread makes more sense in the thread about the franchise in general.

[Sim Nation]

o_0 I love Civilization so it sounds good to me


My hordes will beat your hordes any day of the week ..:D

I missed this , we should hook up play some 2v2 , or w/e be fun .I play civ 4 online regularly .
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[mountanddo]

I don't know any game developers personally so I can't help you there. It sounds like there would be too much in the game though, unlike SCS where there isn't enough. It might be possible for TM/EA/Maxis to incorporate some of your ideas now into SCS.

One thing I think people forget is that some of the things that we want just can't work without extensive programming or just won't work at all.

[Deep Thought]

I don't know any game developers personally so I can't help you there. It sounds like there would be too much in the game though, unlike SCS where there isn't enough. It might be possible for TM/EA/Maxis to incorporate some of your ideas now into SCS.

One thing I think people forget is that some of the things that we want just can't work without extensive programming or just won't work at all.

Well, that proofs that life isn't like a video game. It's always hardest in the beginning.

[King Faticus]

My hordes will beat your hordes any day of the week ..:D

I missed this , we should hook up play some 2v2 , or w/e be fun .I play civ 4 online regularly .

I like it but I'm no wiz at it :D

I don't think I would be much of a challenge lol :rolleyes:

[Deep Thought]

The first one would probably be named "Problems".
Is there something all societies have in common, then it's problems. Wars, starvations, traffical jams, CO2 emmisions, high crime etc.
And it is your job to find a way to solve them. So the main additions for this simulator is scenarios. How to recover from a disaster, solve a....well, and of course, more buildings and chemical results. More modifications, and maybe perhaps, a new social value. What is it then? Spookiness? Health? Banana Eating? Probability? We will see.

EP 2; "Individuality"
More detailed Sim Information. More, more, MORE!!!!

Well, tell me if I forgot something: But, I say it again, only constructive critics.

[Sim Nation]

I like it but I'm no wiz at it :D

I don't think I would be much of a challenge lol :rolleyes:


Stop crying and just come and play :D ,il be there allday today .
My nick will prolly be Evil Dictator :D although i have a few , but if you play as KF il easly find you in the lobby . Or look for me in Blazing ffa ,s

We play together ,i dont want to kill you :D, we will rule the world together:cool:, and if you need help il help you . i can show you builds for most nations that are pretty solid . I usually play random nation in the ffa ,s which makes for a tough game when the others are choosing their countries carefully, we all know some nations have better advantages than the others .

I understand if your scared :p but my offers there if you up for it ..
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[King Faticus]

NEVER!! :eek::D
I actually don't have it installed because a few unmentioned and expensive .. 2d and 3d art programs take up a LOT of space and I only have a few gigs left :(
COTN C3 and SL are the only games I have installed although I might find a way to make room for SCS since I did buy it.. never tried to install it though :eek:

[Deep Thought]

Stick to the topic, woud you? I would like to hear ideas from you, and how your city would be like.

If you are a TM employee, please answer in this thread, I'm dying for an answer from you. [please]

[Akodis]

Stick to the topic, woud you? I would like to hear ideas from you, and how your city would be like.

If you are a TM employee, please answer in this thread, I'm dying for an answer from you. [please]

I would like more individuality for the sims. I would like some sims to be naturally depressed and harder to cheer up, while others are more cheerful and less likely to become unhappy. A few might be bipolar and their mood swings would be more extreme. This would be above and beyond the kind of home they live in.

They should also have individualized preferences for particular jobs and venues. Some might be alcoholics. Some might be deeply religious. Some might be bookworms, mallrats, gourmands, sports fans, etc. Some naturally happy sims might even prefer to stay home instead of visiting venues.

Workaholics might be happier spending extra time at work.

Just an idea. It might be really hard to program something that complex and run it on existing hardware, particularly as populations get larger.

The current game is also missing a critical crime statistic, common to some degree in every major city in the real world. Murder.

[smjjames]

I would like more individuality for the sims. I would like some sims to be naturally depressed and harder to cheer up, while others are more cheerful and less likely to become unhappy. A few might be bipolar and their mood swings would be more extreme. This would be above and beyond the kind of home they live in.

They should also have individualized preferences for particular jobs and venues. Some might be alcoholics. Some might be deeply religious. Some might be bookworms, mallrats, gourmands, sports fans, etc. Some naturally happy sims might even prefer to stay home instead of visiting venues.

Workaholics might be happier spending extra time at work.

Just an idea. It might be really hard to program something that complex and run it on existing hardware, particularly as populations get larger.

The current game is also missing a critical crime statistic, common to some degree in every major city in the real world. Murder.

I wonder if they left out the murder stastistic to keep the rating to E10+. I agree with you on that point, although they don't neccesarily need to make an animation of a murder happening

As for the rest of your idea, doesn't it take a supercomputer or at least a really specialized computer that would be beyond the price range of most people to simulate that stuff?

Anyways, while we are still talking about stastistics here, the crime chart really needs to show a more accurate picture or what is going on because it is harder to tell just how much crime is actually going on in a certain period of time if it shows only all of the crimes reported, criminals arrested, etc. I don't mind if those stats were kept and placed elsewhere, but what would be good is a more accurate 'snapshot' of how many recent crimes have happened, how many arrests, etc, happened more or less in real time.

[Azeem]

Murder was left out in all previous SimCity games as well. Quite odd considering that you can kill off your sims with disasters anyway.

I'd like to see an implementation of the social ladder system that "Children of the Nile" employed. People can move up and down the social rank depending on their prosperity or education. Peasants start at the lowest, but can move into the middle class by becoming shopkeepers (and they can revert to farmers or they can even become beggars if they remain too poor). For example, in CotN, you need to educate your elites in order to get scribes assessing taxes.

[Deep Thought]

Murder was left out in all previous SimCity games as well. Quite odd considering that you can kill off your sims with disasters anyway.

I'd like to see an implementation of the social ladder system that "Children of the Nile" employed. People can move up and down the social rank depending on their prosperity or education. Peasants start at the lowest, but can move into the middle class by becoming shopkeepers (and they can revert to farmers or they can even become beggars if they remain too poor). For example, in CotN, you need to educate your elites in order to get scribes assessing taxes.

You can find that in City Life. ;)

[panikattak]

Societies is really lacking on enough feedback. I know EA wanted to stay away from what has been termed "spreadsheet" gameplay that's part of other SC's, but unfortunately, without statistics, it's hard to gauge what's going on and how effective something is. Histograms and more detailed statistics would be great. And it's too bad, as this situation is starting to illustrate, that the game needs to be culled in a way to make it more suitable for children.

[Sim Nation]

Murder was left out in all previous SimCity games as well. .

Murder/Homocide was in sc4 . If your fast and lucky you could actualy see the crimes being commited :eek:.

Maybe the sims of scs have evolved to the next level of existance where barbaric crimes like murder ,dont exist anylonger .

City life , il wait see what the scs expansion brings before i give up and buy CU 2008 , although i do admire MC ,due to the amount of effort alone that they seem to be pumpimg into CU2008 .

KF ,i suppose what youve never tryed you dont miss . Maybe nows the time to consider a 2nd pc . i have three , a dedicated games machine , a machine for work ,that has max ,etc installed , and a older pc i kept hold of, for goofing around,surfing the web ,but im now down to just one mouse ,i can easily burn out 4-5 mouses a year , lazer mouses are good but they dont last long imo ,often they end up looking like they just done the Paris/Dakar.
Anyway you missed out on a serious days gaming , also you missed an exclusive chance to aquire my own Tech Map,or my no bronze/no iron/no ivory tech map , that many online civ4 players would giv their right arm for :p... I not just got Civ4 , i got warlords and beyond the sword :D
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[Azeem]

You can find that in City Life. ;)

I've only played the demo of City Life, but I didn't see much economic interaction between social classes. CotN had a unique economic system so it made all social classes interact with one another endlessly.

[Ocram]

If you educate fringes you get Radical Chics; if you educate Blue Collars you get Suits; if you educate Suits OR Radical Chics you get Elites. Fringe or blue collar to elite takes a LONG time. It is by far faster to swith out jobs to the higher classes.

[Deep Thought]

Have you ever heard of the WISP value?

If you don't, it is like HDI, but much more exact. It has 40 (!) different social indicators, such as the gap between rich and poor, enviromental protection, average grades, happines level, average EQ and IQ, average lifetime, percentage employment etc.
It genneraly diffines how good the people in a special city/country/community lives.
It is yearly measured by the Swedish Statistics Central Firm, I think. It was at least founded by Richard Estes, Pensyllvania Institute.
According to SSCF, the nordic countries gets the highest places, while US wind up around 30th place. One of the reasons is that the US has no public health care system from the tax payment, plus that the gap between rich and poor is quite big. US also is involved with high CO2 emmisions and high use of weapons.
WISP says for Weight of Indicators of Social Progress.
So, to my swedish friends, I'm not aiming on whipped cream (Visp on Swedish=Whip on English).
And I'm neither aiming on the monster from WoW (That poped up when I was searching for it in Wikipedia).
WISP is the ultimate indicator on how good the society is.

[joe2102001]

Intriguing. So we are not socially progressive because of high CO2 emissions? Sounds biased, although I can't argue the healthcare, it is bad, and the middle class is slowly disappearing. I'm going to have to look into that, it sounds interesting.:)

[Deep Thought]

Higher fossile fuel consumption= Higher CO2 emissions= Warmer planet= Climate-based disasters more often and intensive= Higher damage cost= Less money layed on things good for the society= Lower WISP value

Also:
Higher fossile fuel consumption= Higher emissions of smoke, dust etc.= More smog and acid rain= Worse enviroment= Lower WISP value

How hard is it to understand?

Self, am I engaged of enviromental protection and that the carbondioxide is with in the game, is one of the main reasons for me to prefer SCS before SC4.

[smjjames]

there are suppoused to be stuff like hiking trails in the expansion. whether that will be 'roads' or a building though, I have no idea, it had better not be a 'building'. So with stuff like nature parks (also mentioned), the environmentalists here will definetly enjoy this.

Also, the hiking trails and stuff should be available to the sims of your city, not just tourists. I don't know about elsewhere, but in the US we have hiking trails all over the place and theres some near many cities.

[joe2102001]

I am very much looking foward to the ep for SCS it sounds like it will add quite a few cool featurew! Especially the airports...:D

Deep thought, its not hard to understand at all, you just have to look at all statistical information objectively. Its interesting, because stats can be interpreted in many different ways to argue a politically motivated goal. For example the Wisp that you are reffering to doesn't take into account population ratio to CO2 emissions. The U.S. has over 300 million people, the majority of the CO2 emissions come from cities with a small percentage of that. Thus negating the studies results. Of course a country with a population of 300 million is going to have higher CO2 output than a country with 40 million people thats a given. (Not defending our output of CO2) just wanted to point out the lack of objectivity in it. However places like the middle east have an even higher output of CO2 than the U.S. and thats in countries with a population of just a couple of million. There are so many variables in accurately presenting that information that any definitive information should automatically be suspect because its next to imposible to take into account all of them. As for the warmer climate its also possible that the testing of thousands of nuclear warheads throughout the 20th century by several countries is playing a major role as well. Ultimately the issue is with the World's output, all the nations of the world need to change their ways to have a significant effect on it. ;)

[Deep Thought]

The point with that I stated about the WISP value, is that I want it to be in SCA.

[Kuplo]

I'd rather have a simcity that I play instead of having the game play itself. I don't want some advisor laying out my waterpipes or my fiber optics or my electric lines and certainly don't want an advisor laying out my train routes.

Nope, I'd rather play the game myself then have the game play itself.

[joe2102001]

The point with that I stated about the WISP value, is that I want it to be in SCA.


That being the case I wouldn't want it in a SCA because its not objective or accurate.:D If it was able to factor in every variable perhaps. But I don't think the best computer in the world could handle just that, nevermind the endless other stuff you are mentioning. SCA release date: 2411??

[Akodis]

SCA release date: 2411??

By that time we should have holodecks so people can walk, drive, or even fly around in their cities. Don't make it too big, or you'll get lost in it.

[joe2102001]

It would be nice to live long enough to experience that!:D

[Deep Thought]

I'd rather have a simcity that I play instead of having the game play itself. I don't want some advisor laying out my waterpipes or my fiber optics or my electric lines and certainly don't want an advisor laying out my train routes.

Nope, I'd rather play the game myself then have the game play itself.

You can actually take care of the infrastructure yourself if you select Classic mode or Double mode. Setting taxes is also included.
Perhaps you should have read the whole the chapter in my first post.

Settings before starting:

City Name

Money to start with:
§10000 Bond
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V
Unlimited

Nationality
(See my first post at Chapter 3)

Difficulty
Dance on Roses (Sandbox Mode)
Childplay
Normal
Challenge
Nightmare
Hell

Type of Gameplay
Classic
Creative
Double
Co-operative (Online)

Oh and by the way, I'm 14.

[Deep Thought]

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[Almir]

I dont like part of this at all, simcity is a world of its ow, its a play on reality, not strictly our world. So to put our real world elements there as far as cultures goes i think restricts its versatility.

[OperaChemistryandLaw]

Lots of innovative ideas here... though I think you're missing something.

I would add a dimension of politics to the list, which to me would bring the feel of SC3k and SCS to its logical next step.

In SCS, as you stated, your sims have an impact in the way the city runs. In SC3K, your sims would actually complain about things in a variety of ways (unlike SC4 where all we got was a approval rating), that is, want your casino torn down, taxes lower, etc...

So where did the latter go? Not in SCS apparently.

In the initial city set-up mode, we would be able to choose our government style:
Mayor-Council (typical multiparty representative democracy)
Direct Democracy (non-representative, good for small New Hampshire-style towns [forgive me, I'm another "blind to other cultures" American])
Oligarchic Council (the rich elite run the city)
One-Party Council (Good for Authoritative Societies)
And so on... you can fill in for me.

The purpose of these are variations on the ways sims can give you feedback on your mayoral style beyond their happiness level. In mayor-council mode, for example, Sims are likely to form political parties to give you conflicting ways on how to run the city. The caprice of the people and your previous decisions will impact what sort of buildings you can build or allow zones to build in the future. This is where the council will come in: This eight-member group will, by a percentage, will either prohibit you from building certain buildings even if your city qualifies for it. They may also make certain buildings less or more expensive. For example, a "Green Party" majority will prohibit the mayor from allowing "Metal Casting" type buildings to develop in Away Zones, but if they only consist of 33% of the council, the cost of allowing "Metal Casing" developments will increase by 33%.

By contrast, one-party states eliminate this system.

The mayor's "policies" are dependent on the buildings they build. By comparing the percentages of each developments a mayor has allowed with the percentages of persons with certain ambitions and thus different visions of what buildings the city should have will impact what sort of members are on the council.

This system for the Mayor-Council type will have the effect of encouraging the player to build certain decorations not necessarily to balance societal values or make the area look nice, but they will also have an impact on what sorts of sims will occupy your city. In other words, you can have the people agree with you if you invite those people that would already agree with you! For example, The hedge will attract "art" and "executive" type sims and cause more "industrial" type sims to leave town to small degrees.

My ideas aren't complete, I don't have all the time in the world to sort and iron them out. That's what a forum is for, isn't it?:D

And before I hear those who don't want to have all this political realism in the town, I understand, but I hope that it will be generic and rational enough not to cause controversies.

For the record, this would probably be better suited for a SCS update rather than the penultimate simulator.

(Yes, I'm aware of how old this thread is. Deep Thought's ideas are just so timely not to comment on them.)

[pcgamer2]

opera i think ur looking for a game like tropico 3 http://tropico3.com/