lv 5 or 2nd city?

[escooler]

I dont know where my priorotys should live. in my head if i can get to level 5 first i should, thus i can stockpile faster...although will i miss out on a early 2nd city that might aid my route there. what did you guys go for?

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[Beamup]

I went for level 5 first, because I could get the jewelry faster than the bricks for the new city.

[Czech Centurian]

I went for 2nd city first(just completed) because there wasn't any Jewelry available at the time. In the tweleve hours that the second city was being constructed I'm nearly ready to upgrade my first from 4th to 5th so overall I'm happy. :)

[sakasiru]

I stockpiled for both at the same time. Jewelry was reached first, so I went for the upgrade. I even was level 6 when I founded my new city. Problem was, with the palace upgrade I needed to upgrade so many buildings (bakery, wheat x2...) that I spent more and more bricks before I finally started to pile them up again :rolleyes:

[Kiya]

I did upgrading first and then claimed my second site. Now I'm stockpiling stuff to upgrade both of them before even thinking of getting a third one.

It takes a while to get your second city on its feet, and before it really can start helping the main city. Then it seems you're in a whirling wheel of upgrading two things. Just my thoughts.

[Gloria]

To get that 2nd city, I'll need upgrades to my warehouse, right? Otherwise, I have nowhere to put all my bricks?

[Beamup]

Right, you need a level 4 warehouse.

[Gloria]

Dagnabbit. Founding cities takes *time.* And bricks. Lots of bricks.

[Czech Centurian]

Yeh, I've been buying bricks for three days now.

[Tinkerbell]

Level 5 first. Definitely. You need the laborers.

[Caesar Clifford]

This is really the million dollar question. I am going for a second city first because it seems easier. I have a Level 4 palace. it takes a lot of Jewelry to get a second city and I would imagine that one of the big advantages of being in an Emerald site is that it would be easier to get Palace upgrades.

Biggest problem is such a lack of workers. I have to turn everything off to work on bricks and bread. Basically I've done nothing for the last 24hr and won't for the next 40 or so simply beacuse of how long it takes to get bricks and bread. I do buy as much reeds and clay as I can that is cheap enough, 1 or less. But out where I am the markets are still not used that much and there never is much raw materials. I guess because post people don't realise that players will buy those goods.

If I could find someone in a close nome who just wanted to keep shipping me 100 lots of reeds and clay in return for bread I would love it.

I am not sure there is enough workers for each level of palace. I mean level 4 palace is 90 workers. L4 wheat and bakery takes 54 workers leaving you only36. Level 4 brickworks is 27 which leaves you only 9 to work your clay [ L4 = 23 workers ] and reeds [ L4 = 23 workers ]. Nothing to spare on making anything for sale or any sort of goods. So basically you have to just shut down.

A Level 4 palace should have enough workers in it to supply full labour for all sites full up to level 4 which would probably be around 250 workers instead of 90.

[Caesar Clifford]

Yeh, I've been buying bricks for three days now.

I've hardly ever seen bricks on the market here.

[Trislan]

Dagnabbit. Founding cities takes *time.*

Founding the second city currently takes about 2.45 times the amount of labor as upgrading the palace to level 5. (3350 vs 1369 labor-hours)

And bricks. Lots of bricks.

The labor costs for just the bricks (1650) are more than the cost of the level 5 upgrade.

[Beamup]

A Level 4 palace should have enough workers in it to supply full labour for all sites full up to level 4 which would probably be around 250 workers instead of 90.
That would be way too much - having to make hard choices about where to put your laborers is the point!

[Czech Centurian]

Founding the second city currently takes about 2.45 times the amount of labor as upgrading the palace to level 5. (3350 vs 1369 labor-hours)



The labor costs for just the bricks (1650) are more than the cost of the level 5 upgrade.

Thats if you can find available jewelry. Without viable jewelry I felt a second city was a better option than upgrading to level 5.

[Kiya]

A Level 4 palace should have enough workers in it to supply full labour for all sites full up to level 4 which would probably be around 250 workers instead of 90.
No not really, we already saw in the alpha where does that lead us. I think the way it is now is definitely much better.

I have a lvl 6 palace, but somey work shops are on a much lower level. Why should everything be on the same level as your palace? As an extreme example is my sculpture shop that is still on level 1. No need for me to upgrade it, since not enough workers to every possible job, and besides it is producing enough stuff for my needs (market, for private trade and for the next upgrade). This is my way and it might not suit others.

[King Faticus]

since you mentioned it Kiya what DOES happen?

[Tinkerbell]

A Level 4 palace should have enough workers in it to supply full labour for all sites full up to level 4 which would probably be around 250 workers instead of 90.

<puts on sunglasses>

More laborers = destroy the game

Don't do it, TM!

Why should everything be on the same level as your palace? As an extreme example is my sculpture shop that is still on level 1. No need for me to upgrade it, since not enough workers to every possible job, and besides it is producing enough stuff for my needs (market, for private trade and for the next upgrade). This is my way and it might not suit others.

Exactly, Kiya! Well said! :)

EDIT: Whoops! Except for the the sculpture shop part. You are bronze & L2 is cheap & fast. It should be a bit higher. I destroy L2 shops w/o blinking an eye.

[Kiya]

since you mentioned it Kiya what DOES happen?
I meant if we had what CC suggested (250 workers instead of 90 on lvl 4) we would have something quite different, another kind of game, had that in alpha. Sorry for not being clear. :o

[King Faticus]

I also agree though

one of the biggest if not THE biggest part of the game is managing your resources

your laborers are 'human' resources......

if you suddenly had as many as you 'needed' then a lot of the planning and strategy will vanish

all that will remain are piles of resources and everybody will have them... values will drop and so TM will need to RAISE requirements to compensate

[Czech Centurian]

I also agree though

one of the biggest if not THE biggest part of the game is managing your resources

your laborers are 'human' resources......

if you suddenly had as many as you 'needed' then a lot of the planning and strategy will vanish

all that will remain are piles of resources and everybody will have them... values will drop and so TM will need to RAISE requirements to compensate
That truely would be boring. Its more fun shifting labour there adjusting it here tweaking it and so and so on.

[Caesar Clifford]

I ddin't say I wasn't enjoying it. Just so fustrating not being able to do everything at once. I am happy as it is.