Rename Cedar to Acacia

[King Faticus]

IIR most the trees that grew in Egypt weren't very tall and were generally of a 'low' quality

trees like Acacia and Juniper were among the most common in Egypt,
Acacia/Juniper could only be cut into small planks and would have to be 'sewn' together to create a ship.

Cedar was imported from Byblos in Syria so I don't like the appearance of Cedar as a native resource in Egypt o_0


Btw Juniper cones were used as medicinal herbs too IIR
and even as flavoring for foods and drink.. so maybe that can also be added... for food flavoring and as herbs for apothecaries to keep your people healthy and happy.

*waits for everybody to disagree as usual*

[Michlo]

I don't disagree. I don't see what harm it could do as long as it doesn't cause the developers too much work.

Oh and speaking of food, it would be nice if there could be more than just bread to feed our folks with, I'm sure they're sick of it. heh

[MadZedong]

onions, garlic, cabbages, fish and oh, beer.

[Michlo]

onions, garlic, cabbages, fish and oh, beer.

Yikes, it is going to make for a very smelly Nile!

[MadZedong]

don't worry. junipers will keep off the stench. :p

[Siptah]

I agree with your argumentation as far as cedar growing in egypt is not accurate. But acacia was not used for ships in egypt. Little boats were made of papyrus and bigger boats of cedar, especially cargo ships and religious ships. They started improting it in the 2nd dynasty (this is the earliest we know of) and according to Herodotus the only acacia thing on an egyptian boat was the mast. So you have to chose between one accuracy or another. And cedar definitifely sounds and was more valuable. Cedar can keep up with other luxury materials not only in history but also in this game. It would sound wierd to me if I would trade precious gold for mere acacia. By the way, I have never heard of much acacia trading going on in Egypt. It was used locally for furniture and tomb equipment.

[King Faticus]

Their boats with which they carry cargoes are made of the thorny acacia, of which the form is very like that of the Kyrenian lotos, and that which exudes from it is gum. From this tree they cut pieces of wood about two cubits in length and arrange them like bricks, fastening the boat together by running a great number of long bolts through the two-cubits pieces; and when they have thus fastened the boat together, they lay cross-pieces over the top, using no ribs for the sides; and within they caulk the seams with papyrus. They make one steering-oar for it, which is passed through the bottom of the boat; and they have a mast of acacia and sails of papyrus. These boats cannot sail up the river unless there be a very fresh wind blowing, but are towed from the shore: from this acacia tree they cut planks 3 feet long, which they put together like courses of brick, building up the hull as follows: they joined these three foot lengths together with long close set dowels; when they have built up the hull in this fashion they stretch cross beams over them. They use no ribs, and they caulk the seams from the inside, using papyrus.

Cedar was used aswell but I think they used whatever they could... cedar was an expensive foreign import and probably too expensive for a 'typical' cargo ship that traveled the 'safe' not so turbulent waters of the Nile. atleast compared to the Mediterranean sea


one thing I do see is that the sails were made of papyrus

I wonder if that could be another resource?
used for making ships... pleasing priests.. and maybe research?

Egypt isn't Egypt without papyrus you know!

[Siptah]

Cedar was used in ships too but that was later


no in fact it was earlier, during the time of herodotus egypt was not what it had been some hundred years before. And since we are (hopefully soon) building pyramids i always think of it as a kind of old kingdom time game.

[King Faticus]

atleast wait for me to finish editing before quoting me :rolleyes:

It would sound wierd to me if I would trade precious gold for mere acacia.
no more precious than dead cow skin or oil :eek:


and speaking of dead cow skins... what happens to the rest of the poor thing?

don't tell me they throw it into the Nile!

[Siptah]

Never :p

[tomnobles]

I think our timeline is 6500BC.

[Siptah]

I hoped not, then we will have to wait nearly 4000 years until pyramids are introduced :eek:

[King Faticus]

I think the Egyptians sent their first expeditions into Syria in the third millennium BC


I will have to double check that though

[Siptah]

no need, it is right, best proof are the boats of chufu, made around 2400 BC

at least there were some in the 3rd millenium BC. I don't know of earlier, but writing was not invented until near the end of the 4th milleium so how could we know ?

[King Faticus]

then I guess it all boils down to when the game takes place

it says we are all minor pharaohs so ti could be before Egypt is unified or maybe during a turbulent intermediary period

[Siptah]

Egypt isn't Egypt without papyrus you know!

don't we already have reeds implemented ? what do you think they are made of ?


I wonder if that could be another resource?
used for making ships... pleasing priests.. and maybe research?

it could just take up some reeds to build ships. And the "research building" whatever it may be called could also just use up reeds and making papyrus in this very building with which it researches. so you would not need a new ressource but you could use the papyrus reeds already in the game.

but i admit having a papyrus shop would be more fun since it would be another tradeable ressource :)

[sakasiru]

While we´re at it:

Ummm, *bronze* mines? Shouldn´t that be... copper? :D;):D

[King Faticus]

we can pretend the mines have both copper and tin veins :p

[Burtonius]

King, Newbie here, One quick question with respect Your Nobleness!
How can I acquire cedar when it seems I need a ship to import so that I can build a ship....?

[Deguar]

King, Newbie here, One quick question with respect Your Nobleness!
How can I acquire cedar when it seems I need a ship to import so that I can build a ship....?

If you can't find it at all on your market, try upgrading your market :)

If that doesn't work scroll up and down the nome map to find your local cedar producers, send them a scroll. Most of the cedar producers are willing to send out the first ship worth of cedar as long as you pay it back with some appropriate resource they can use.

Deguakay
Hetephinushr of Raka (58N) Sandals and Leather
Rakheben of Amunsesh (48N) Sculptures and Bronze

[tomnobles]

The market may have a list of cedar. You may need to level-up your market to 3 or more (look at the Nome map and find cedar to compute the number of levels).

You can send scrolls to a few cedar cities (level 3 & above) and ask for a front of xx cedar in return for xx good that you produce. Explain that you need it to build a ship.

If you still have problems, my city is Isna - Nome Bastnedj

Send me a scroll and I'll fix you up. :)

[Sandra Linkletter]

King, Newbie here, One quick question with respect Your Nobleness!
How can I acquire cedar when it seems I need a ship to import so that I can build a ship....?

To answer one question the others left open, you don't need a ship to import. People can ship to you. Your ships only export. :)