How much total bread does your empire have?

[Cazy]

How much bread do you keep around in your cities and monuments?

Only to keep you going, enough to keep you warm on rainy days or as much as you can get to boost your rank?

[speysider]

I voted 50k - 300k :D

My total bread count at this moment is 88313 bread :)

[riisen]

I voted 10k - 50k. I like my workers on a strict diet. :D

[JoelOfDenial]

300-1000 -

unless you exclude stockpiling for immortality.

-j.

[Azeem]

300k-1000k

Not really stockpiling for immortality. I just don't have much to do with all of it. :o

[speysider]

@Azeem: Easy. Get a lot of soldiers, send them off to a monument, and send a lot of bread.

[Agamemnus]

3,100,000.

[Azeem]

@Azeem: Easy. Get a lot of soldiers, send them off to a monument, and send a lot of bread.

Not interested.

[speysider]

Fine then :mad:

@Aga: Are you joking? :p

[Siptah]

1,2xx,xxx

it just gets more and more.... i don't really save it... there is just not that much to buy and i sell stuff :) meanwhile i feel poor if i look at one of my cities and it has less than 100k in it

[GaSplat]

I keep it all my inventories fairly low unless it for future palace upgrades or raw materials for stuff I make (come to think of it, that's everything :D). Bread gets spent on "bargains" or buying lux mats I don't trade enough to keep the shops going.

[Agamemnus]

Fine then :mad:

@Aga: Are you joking? :p

No.

[NoteVan1]

151.7k according to ArmEagle's script. I should try selling more stuff on the market, but the prices of most things near me are terribly low and with Theoris opening, buy orders are almost non-existant.

[Deguar]

I'd love to know how anyone is getting bread right now, because everyone around me seems to be dumping everything on the market as they all race for immortality.

I could have bought bricks for 1 per yesterday, bricks, baskets and pottery are down to 2 per in a couple of my nomes. Going to make doubling my current 250k bread a little difficult :)

Deguakay of Sabah

Hetephinushr of Raka (59N) Sandals and Leather
Rakheben of Amunsesh (49N) Sculptures and Bronze
Rawaset of Setger (80N) Jewelry and Gold
Perdjyamun of Rate (99N) Perfume and Oil

@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@

Aguakay of Theoris

Hetekonpolis of Osirisiret (3S) Cedar

[Siptah]

Deguar i can't sell much in my 109N nome anymore... too much listings of everything for cheap. but since theoris starteed the markets in the outer regions (for me 267N ) is completely empty and i can sell a lot of stuff and make my bread there

[Michlo]

I'd love to know how anyone is getting bread right now, because everyone around me seems to be dumping everything on the market as they all race for immortality.

I could have bought bricks for 1 per yesterday, bricks, baskets and pottery are down to 2 per in a couple of my nomes. Going to make doubling my current 250k bread a little difficult :)

Deguakay of Sabah

Hetephinushr of Raka (59N) Sandals and Leather
Rakheben of Amunsesh (49N) Sculptures and Bronze
Rawaset of Setger (80N) Jewelry and Gold
Perdjyamun of Rate (99N) Perfume and Oil

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Aguakay of Theoris

Hetekonpolis of Osirisiret (3S) Cedar

Well my capital is making 810 bread per hour and my other three 600+ so it isn't too difficult.

And yes, I'm one of those racing for immortality. heh

Cheers.

[Deguar]

Well my capital is making 810 bread per hour and my other three 600+ so it isn't too difficult.

And yes, I'm one of those racing for immortality. heh

Cheers.

Heh, what do you think is getting upgraded in the 22s? bakeries and wheatfields. I've been whittling labourers off pottery/baskets for the last week or so, which used to be my best sellers. Mind you I got out of the selling luxury goods on the market business in oh about November last year and I've never been able to use the market to afford large daily bread deficits.

It helps to have bandit camps to divert the whittled labour into while the bread infrastructure upgrades though.

Deguakay of Sabah

Hetephinushr of Raka (59N) Sandals and Leather
Rakheben of Amunsesh (49N) Sculptures and Bronze
Rawaset of Setger (80N) Jewelry and Gold
Perdjyamun of Rate (99N) Perfume and Oil

@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@

Aguakay of Theoris

Hetekonpolis of Osirisiret (3S) Cedar

[latro]

1.5 million

[Cazy]

The reason I started this thread is that bread seems to count too much in the scoring formula. I too have almost 1.5 million of it and am still heavily using the market to acquire more only because I want to climb the ranks. Bread is a good indicator of someone's wealth but it's really artificial to let it influence the ranks so much.

Don't you all think it would be better if bread weighted less in that magic formula that gives the ranks?

[latro]

I agree that bread seems to count too much in rankings, although I think this is in part because it is the only resource you can stockpile (almost) limitlessly. The simplest solution that still allows the very high cap on bread, would be to incorporate diminishing returns for bread in the rank formula, as I believe it is only at the higher levels of bread (> 1 million?) that it gets out of whack and gets the rank whores stockpiling almost single-mindedly at that point.

[joshofet]

1.8Mbread, so you're ahead of me Aga, going for the 4MB limit ;)

There is not much to do, waiting till my palace has finally reached level 22. I am mainly trading stuff I can't sell for things I can. The trade wall is fun.

[latro]

with pyramids isn't it a 6M bread limit?

[Deguar]

with pyramids isn't it a 6M bread limit?

Only if your monuments aren't continuous targets of attacks ;)

[iCat]

I can't log in to check right now due to server downtime, but I think it's about 1.4-5 million. I'm not really stockpiling it on purpose, I just have nothing to spend it on. The only commodity I'm short on is time and you can't buy that.

I also have 10s of thousands of luxmats and lux that no one wants on the trade wall. I sell some on the market at 3 per. But I refuse to sell for less than that because it will negatively impact my rank, and that's important to me because I want a big pyramid when I go immortal. :)

[Cazy]

Naohim?

[Caesar Clifford]

The reason I started this thread is that bread seems to count too much in the scoring formula. I too have almost 1.5 million of it and am still heavily using the market to acquire more only because I want to climb the ranks. Bread is a good indicator of someone's wealth but it's really artificial to let it influence the ranks so much.

Don't you all think it would be better if bread weighted less in that magic formula that gives the ranks?

From memory I'm sure that Reed said a few months ago that bread did not play much part in rankings if any. It did in the very early days and then was a myth carried on by a few of the older players who refused to accept that the forumla had changed. Upgrading all your buildings plays a much more important part in your rankings score than anything else.

[Cazy]

Cliff, do you think it's just a coincidence my rank skyrocketed after deciding to store food to be enough till the end of time? I kept the same upgrading policy, bread made the difference. Ask latro too :).

I received huge amounts of goods from a retiring trading partner. That made me take a big leap, but the rank climbed really spectacular only after selling the goods at a little over the opportunity cost.

[Michlo]

Well of course it would play a huge role since it is the currency of the day.

Even today, a person's liquid wealth is counted before properties, etc.

[latro]

From memory I'm sure that Reed said a few months ago that bread did not play much part in rankings if any. It did in the very early days and then was a myth carried on by a few of the older players who refused to accept that the forumla had changed. Upgrading all your buildings plays a much more important part in your rankings score than anything else.

You'll also recall Reed seemed fairly surprised that Aga was bumping up against the 999,999 bread cap. This bread capacity represents the largest value of anything you can store, so unless it is counted towards rank well below opportunity value, it's still going to count more overall. I don't know if any of the high rankers have max'ed at 100,000 their oil, kohl, emeralds etc. It would be interesting to see if that counts as much or more, but caza's story would seem to refute that.

[Cazy]

Un unintentional experiment proves the influence of bread on score.

Score Update 1: I reach Nth place.

Actions till next update:
1. No relevant moves, no big upgrades.
2. Just before the next update I move 300k bread from one city to the other (to avoid hitting the cap). The bread is in transit when score is updated (looks like traveling goods do not count towards the score).


Score Update 2: I drop 6 places!

Actions till next update:
1. The bread reaches my other city.
2. I start a L22 and a L21 palace. Huge amounts of goods invested, the palaces will obviously not finish before the next update.
3. I sell some more stuff on the market, bread count increases.


Score Update 2: I climb 8 places! (amount of goods seriously lower now, buildings at the same level as before, only bread substantially higher)


All this in the higher part of the ladder, where rank is pretty stable.

I find it improbable that all the players who outranked me and which I then outranked were synchronously increasing and decreasing their score.

The reason for my fluctuating rank must have been something I did.

And what I did was to temporary "lose" an important amount of bread.

[Caesar Clifford]

You may well be right, Cazy. I've been wrong about more things than I can remember in life.

[GaSplat]

Un unintentional experiment proves the influence of bread on score.

Score Update 1: I reach Nth place.

Actions till next update:
1. No relevant moves, no big upgrades.
2. Just before the next update I move 300k bread from one city to the other (to avoid hitting the cap). The bread is in transit when score is updated (looks like traveling goods do not count towards the score).


Score Update 2: I drop 6 places!

Actions till next update:
1. The bread reaches my other city.
2. I start a L22 and a L21 palace. Huge amounts of goods invested, the palaces will obviously not finish before the next update.
3. I sell some more stuff on the market, bread count increases.


Score Update 2: I climb 8 places! (amount of goods seriously lower now, buildings at the same level as before, only bread substantially higher)


All this in the higher part of the ladder, where rank is pretty stable.

I find it improbable that all the players who outranked me and which I then outranked were synchronously increasing and decreasing their score.

The reason for my fluctuating rank must have been something I did.

And what I did was to temporary "lose" an important amount of bread.

Of course part of the second increase was possibly because of immortality (or account deletion)? But you have still fairly well demonstrated that bread plays a role. I think its role is exaggerated because you have no limit on how much to store and TM did not anticipate it approaching 1M in one city, let alone multiple cities.

[Cazy]

Ah, memory problems. I pushed the buttons for those two palaces I was talking about in my previous post before "Score Update 1". So nothing else spectacular happened between Update 1 and Update 3 other than missing 300k bread when Update 2 hit.

This still proves my point, as I remember not dropping any places after starting those L21 and L22 palace upgrades. 300k bread was decisive for dropping 6 places and then climbing 8, but losing goods equivalent to 430k bread did nothing to my rank.

And GaSplat, no player above my rank reached immortality during that period.

[Ramiz]

my bread count is about 1 500 000 total, I made a misstake decideing to not to build barracks in fourth city, (forgot about it) and the palace in that place is lev 22 in a few hours, I guess this is the reason why some players with lower level of palaces are above me on the ranks. next goal is to correct this blunder

do you guys think this is the right reason, and does bread count makes the biggest impact on rankings? or do building levels make it?

and when the top dogs intend to dismount from up there, and leave the rest of us a possibility to make a decent tomb to ourselves?

[Santa Claus]

I've been stuck at 999,999 bread for a few days now. Stinks. :(

[GaSplat]

I've been stuck at 999,999 bread for a few days now. Stinks. :(Um, I think that is the hard coded limit to the max bread in any one city. People who say they have more are combining totals from multiple cities. ;) Don't bother watching that odometer to see if it will roll over - it won't. Spend it or ship it to somewhere with room because all bread produced or delivered to that city is flat out lost and gone. :eek:

[speysider]

I am at 110235 bread right now. My net gain is 132/hour

[Agamemnus]

Ramiz-- even though Reed said nothing about it, it **seems** that donations count towards palace upgrades too. (which is wrong, imo) So, up your donations a bit, I would say...

[Blackcrown]

Haha - I have under 1k. Hopefully not for too long though.

[GaSplat]

I have been told that donations to the temple do not seem to help much, and just having the stock on hand is better. But I don't know how scientific that particular "lab" was and whether or not it is correct. Some of the top ranks have made massive donations, but others "not so much". I suspect that donations are on a par with stockpiling but ranking can be difficult to do a lab on because of all the other variables in play (like other player's actions which you have no idea what they are).

I am fairly certain that selling goods at better than opportunity cost helps ranking. Whether those selling lower than opportunity cost are getting any benefit is unknown. I figure fair trades are break even in terms of ranking.

[Deguar]

When I was upping my rank back on Sabah, in the mid 40s I had about 30k ish in temple donations. Thus I went mad for a couple of weeks with back to back donations in all four nomes and pretty much doubled it to about 60k it didn't make any noticiable difference in my rank.

Dumping luxury goods on the market at 7-9 however did. Although I was also upgrading buildings most of my rank gains before I went immortal came from gathering bread. At the end I had L26 wheatfields and L21/22 bakeries with 80+% of all employment purely making bread.

[GaSplat]

When I was upping my rank back on Sabah, in the mid 40s I had about 30k ish in temple donations. Thus I went mad for a couple of weeks with back to back donations in all four nomes and pretty much doubled it to about 60k it didn't make any noticiable difference in my rank.

Dumping luxury goods on the market at 7-9 however did. Although I was also upgrading buildings most of my rank gains before I went immortal came from gathering bread. At the end I had L26 wheatfields and L21/22 bakeries with 80+% of all employment purely making bread.
I am starting to come to the same conclusion. Thanks for sharing. :)

[NoteVan1]

At one point as was trying to keep my donations higher than the second highest in my main nome. This caused me to donate over 15k lux at one point. Next update my rank dropped 2 spots. I don't know if it was directly related to that, but it's worth mentioning.

[GaSplat]

I have heard that large donations can cause that, but I'm not convinced that other factors may not have been the cause. Judging from Kuuch's stats, they can't hurt much. ;)