Sabah Trade Wall Help [Archive] - Tilted Mill Community

DustysMomma

07-05-2009, 08:13 PM

Joshofet, I think that an advertising section would be a great addition to the game. Something that would stay for a certain number of days before either disappearing or have to be renewed. Otherwise you could end up with pages and pages of unfilled requests that never go away which you'd have to go through to find what you want to trade.

For those persons who come in and post all the time with "scroll me" at the end and leave before anyone can answer, if there is someone there ready to ship, why wait and ask them to go to the extra trouble to finally ship sometimes multiple scrolls and hours later? Not to mention, with the problems that have been discussed lately about the scammers doing this, why would I want to?

Finally, as for the scrolls getting bumped from the trade wall because of too much chatting on there, well, before I came to the forums I posted a simple "where is everybody?" and it took 10 minutes to get a single answer, which is not uncommon.

While I will also comply with this request, I believe there are other issues at hand here too.

Doctor Sarcophagus

07-06-2009, 01:08 PM

wtt my point of view for someone else's opinion.

Here's some news for you, my narcissistic little fairy, you have angered me and saddened me in equal amounts.
There are only about 2000 people on Sabah and I bet it is a small percentage of that number who use the Trade Wall on a regular basis.
The regulars, trade and chat and trade some more and chat some more. Here is an example of what a trader said in reply to my post about chat on 6.7.09 'k******t (18S) [12:52 pm] » hey doc, for what its worth, its the chat that keeps me playing, the chat and the generosity.'

So there you have it in a nutshell, for 7 months I have enjoyed playing this game, without the need to point the finger or post on the forum for that matter. You have now changed this situation. I believe that I have made friends whilst playing this game and will continue to chat to them when and where I please. If you need to trade urgently post it or scroll one of the Chatter Militia. Most of us our long term players and probably have what you are after, in large quantities.

I like chatting with people from other places in the world, finding out where they live, what they do, there loves, there hates. This is part of the game and this is part of my life.

So why the need to post in the Forum, moaning about a blether? I could go into a lengthy psychological profile of you but do you know what,
I cant be bothered, mainly because I have so much chat to catch up on.

Here is some advice, before you log on to Sabah, please take a few deep breaths, put on some top quality sounds, have a few snacks at hand, chill out and then join us for bit of gossip, talk, conversing, discourse, rabbit, chewing the fat, chit chat, claver, jaw, chatter, witter, prattle, jabber, gabble, blather, blether, palaver, confabulation, shoot the breeze, shmooze, jawbone or trading.

<you have no need to duck, you need to dig a trench>

Amun Nefer

07-06-2009, 01:25 PM

I concur, the chat is the most awesome part of the game, it's been great meeting so many Europeans and Brazilians and seeing how much cooler than Yanks they are. :D

Tinkerbell

07-06-2009, 03:45 PM

Here's some news for you, my narcissistic little fairy, you have angered me and saddened me in equal amounts.

Well then, eat some of your own medicine, Dr. Hypocrit.

I will post where I want & how I want. If you don't like it, then keep crying.

The General Wall is for chatting. The Trade Wall is for trading.

When traders come on the General Walls, they are immediately told to go to the Trade Wall by you same clowns. Love the hypocrisy...

Update: Once again, I just checked the Sabah Trade Wall & there are tons of players trading & not chatting too much as before. Thank you all!

Question, Doctor Sarcophagus

Is this the real reason you are angry? Cuz traders have taken the Trade Wall back?

Amun Nefer

07-06-2009, 04:29 PM

I will post where I want & how I want. If you don't like it, then keep crying.

So... that seems to say you'll chat on trade and deny others the ability. Just an observation...

Is this the real reason you are angry? Cuz traders have taken the Trade Wall back?

I think he's annoyed by your disdain towards General wall chatters, I can't speak for him though, that's what I think.

Yay, I'm Fisking. :D

Tinkerbell

07-06-2009, 04:58 PM

So... that seems to say you'll chat on trade and deny others the ability. Just an observation...

As usual, a wrong observation that comes from your typical inability to read with comprehension & standard binary "thinking".

I think he's annoyed by your disdain towards General wall chatters, I can't speak for him though, that's what I think.

Stop trying to think. You aren't very good at it.

Amun Nefer

07-06-2009, 05:13 PM

lol, oh Tink... Such a silly person thinking he knows anything about me. :rolleyes:

DustysMomma

07-07-2009, 12:48 AM

Children, children! This is all so sickening. Why do some people, I'm not pointing any fingers, feel the need to be so angry and whiny all the time toward others who you have never met in RL? If it's not complaining about what others say, it's pitching a fit so that others will say something to provoke you and supposedly give you a reason to whine some more. Can you believe I have actually been told that it is this petty junk by a handful of people which is causing people NOT to reincarnate when they go immortal? If you hate people that much, go somewhere you can be alone.....Antarctica comes to mind. The Emperor penguins will turn their back on you & huddle for a few months before long & then you can have the whole place to yourself. How about the Mariana trench? You can go hang out with the other tube worms.

Oops....did I say that out loud?:D

Amun Nefer

07-07-2009, 02:23 AM

Lol, I'm afraid it's a product of the intertubes Dusty, people just act all trolly even though IRL they'd get duffed (similar to deck) for doing such things, I mean that in general btw, like the people on 4chan would get SOOOOoooo many ***kickings in real life, it would be hilarious.

Edit: Yay, 3000th post. :D

Doctor Sarcophagus

07-07-2009, 06:11 AM

wtt a split personality midge for a realistic view of the world

The only person giving out bad medicine is yourself.

The tears that roll down my cheeks are from laughing at your ridiculous dictatorial posts.

'...extremes in her personality are explained in game play by the fact that the fairy's size prevents her from holding more than one feeling at a time, so when she is angry she has no counterbalancing compassion.'
In short, grow up. Oh, but I was forgetting that now we have grown up, you just fade away and die. Ah, we can but wish.

The clowns shoes are worn by your sycophantic self to prevent you from flying away to a far and distant land. I will gladly wear them if it means you will disappear into the wild blue yonder.

I have since chatted on the Trade Wall and will continue to chat there when I like.

DustysMomma

07-07-2009, 10:40 AM

(Passes out earplugs to keep the thunderous applause from deafening anyone who wanders in.)

Eh, what's up Doc?:D

Joyee

07-07-2009, 11:49 AM

Amun Nefer

07-07-2009, 12:10 PM

Pictures say a thousand words. In this case its images. Looks as if someone doesn't follow the rules they want everyone else to follow.

http://i25.tinypic.com/sq410x.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/24lneyu.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/syl3dg.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/2ivjrkk.jpg

That is all!

Joyee

Yay double standards! :D

I heard that if people stop laughing or maybe was it clapping then Tinker Bell disappears. :eek: /me wonders about the forumer... :confused:

Tinkerbell

07-07-2009, 12:31 PM

Uh, where's the double standard?

...amazing how I can make people dance on command...it is a gift...

Bonus smirk

What rules have I made?

...don't hurt yerself tryin...

PeHaSys

07-07-2009, 12:39 PM

What rules have I made?
You don't want people to chat on trade wall. What you did was not talking about trades.

Maybe you didn't "make" the rule(s), but you are asking people for that and making them uncomfortable.

Just so you know... if some people are ignoring you on the Trade Wall (and that's what I intend to do from now) it's because, I think, you don't play well with others... unless you are playing "dictator" role. Yes, then you could play again.

Tinkerbell

07-07-2009, 12:57 PM

You don't want people to chat on trade wall.

Bzzzzzzzz

Thankx fer playing.

...binary "thinkers' suck...

What you did was not talking about trades.

Wow, you come up with that on your own? W/o help?

...I answered a gameplay question...

Did I say what I had for lunch, whether or not it was my birthday, or what I was gonna do tonight & tomorrow like the chatter Joyee always does?

...did Joyee post why she has this ax to grind? Will she admit it now?...probably not...dishonest people never do...

Maybe you didn't "make" the rule(s), but you are asking people for that and making them uncomfortable.

I made a beg thread & a bunch of posters agreed with me. The post was asking for a reduction of the non-game related chatter & consideration of others who want to trade. Not an end to chatting. THAT, my pitiful friend what all you binary clowns can only handle ~ yes/no when life is a spectrum. There comes a point when the chatting is too much.

Just so you know... if some people are ignoring you on the Trade Wall

They are? Dat's funny. I have no problem making trades on the Walls.

...hint... you cannot boycott anyone in this game...

(and that's what I intend to do from now) it's because, I think, you don't play well with others... unless you are playing "dictator" role. Yes, then you could play again.

Do you realize how petty & pitiful you sound?

...probably not...

You are an excellent example of what is wrong with the General Wall gang. You clowns "think" you are many, but you are not. This is why the Sabah General Wall died. Few of you, many of us. So, you all went to the Trade Wall to cause trouble, just like you are doing now on the forum.

and I knew I was chatting & it is not a real good thing to do in large quantities ~ especially all the time.

One of the characteristic thngs that the chatters do is also the wasting of bandwith

by

posting

a little on

each line

and taking up five

lines

in a

row

Joyee

07-07-2009, 01:32 PM

I don't think so. Everyone that I speak to on a regular basis knows exactly why I don't like you. I don't even know why I bother. You only continue to do what I expect you to do. Which is turn everything that gets said that you don't like around. I have read many many post in which you do the exact same thing.

And no you chatted about the game however it was still chat. Not trading. Although I seemed to recall you saying in trade a day or two ago the baby found the coffee cup and sucker punched me which you said because you were late sending your part of the trade. Still who cares if the baby sucker punched you. I don't and I am sure others don't.

Your 1 man band has basically ruined all aspects of this game for me. But you know what I won't quit because of you. Then you just win. And well you won't be winning this time.

And now for the reason I don't like Tinkerbell. In Theoris when I first started I couldn't get a lot of trades, I started over there a few weeks after the server started. Anyway I traded with Tinkerbell put them on my allies list. My city redlined (orange) in gold. So I randomly picked someone from my ally list to send some gold to thinking I was being nice. And yes you guessed it I just had to pick Tinkerbell. So I get this insane scroll about how I am invading his private game space (I had never read the forums) and how I was cheating. So I scrolled him back told him I would delete my account so that he would not receive the gold in which he came back with if that is the way you are going to play you should delete your account yadda yadda.

So there! How am I dishonest? Please tell me! And I really had no axe to grind. I even traded with you after the fact. But you posted this thread after there was chatting on the trade wall that I was involved in. Yes I admit I chat on trade (dishonest much) ! So I felt like the post was directed at me even though you didn't call me out. Sabah is not Theoris. I have been on the trade wall and 6 or 7 hours later come back and the same stuff is there. The chatter doesn't always happen. Anyway I am done with you and this post. You have wasted far to much of my time already and well frankly your not worth the air you breath much less my time.

Joyee!

DustysMomma

07-07-2009, 02:24 PM

Yay double standards! :D

I heard that if people stop laughing or maybe was it clapping then Tinker Bell disappears. :eek: /me wonders about the forumer... :confused:

You know, my ex-husband had double standards like this too.....and I already told you guys what happened to him. What goes around comes around........

BTW....great catch Joyee!

Tinkerbell

07-07-2009, 02:25 PM

And now for the reason I don't like Tinkerbell. In Theoris when I first started I couldn't get a lot of trades, I started over there a few weeks after the server started.

So far so good, pretty much. While trading on the Sabah II Wall, you posted that you had gold in Theoris & couldn't find any trades. I said that my Capital was emeralds & I was always looking for more gold traders. I gave you my moniker & told you to scroll me there to help you with your jewelry trades. We made like two trades, then you gifted me a ton of gold w/o warning cuz you said you didn't know what to do with it. You said you had accumulated something like 20K gold. Serious players do not do this. Part-time non-serious players do this.

Anyway I traded with Tinkerbell put them on my allies list. My city redlined (orange) in gold. So I randomly picked someone from my ally list to send some gold to thinking I was being nice. And yes you guessed it I just had to pick Tinkerbell.

Nice spin, but I doubt it that that happened as you said. Apparently, I was not trading you enough emeralds & you wanted to speed up the process. You see, Joyee, you are not a serious player, but rather a chatter. Amun Nefer is the very same way, for example.

Redlining is a symptom that you are not a serious player. The solution to redlining is to take labor off gold & do something else with your labor, not to start gifting it away so you can redline again.

So I get this insane scroll about how I am invading his private game space (I had never read the forums) and how I was cheating.

"insane" lol

You did invade my private space w/o permission.

So I scrolled him back told him I would delete my account so that he would not receive the gold in which he came back with if that is the way you are going to play you should delete your account yadda yadda.

Bzzzzzzzzz. I scrolled you back "What?" Why are you deleting? You would just have to wait for me to make enough emeralds or for me to have enough boats to return your gold. This resulted a another scroll from you & with that one, I did indeed say that if you were not a serious player, then deletion was probably the best option for you. Not to eliminate your gold boats, but to do something else besides two part-time worlds. Then I said "Good Luck in Sabah!"

EDIT: Since we all now know that at the very bottom of Joyee's "vengence" now is gifting, let's continue on that theme.

My hypothesis is that we have a small group of "players" who would rather chat "waste time" then actually play the game. I believe scarabs are at the bottom of this also. They got to the top of the ranks in Theoris w/o scarabs & this is why there is not that much of a problem in Theoris (yet).

They either do not want to go Immortal, or are unable to for whatever reason. They just hang on. These players are General Wall chatters & believe this is the "heart of the game" (Amun Nefer again). They start to build up tons of the wrong stuff & enter into God Mode ~ gifting. They can sit on the walls & give stuff away. I almost got to this point myself in Sabah I (while waiting for the elusive quests), but soon realized that it was time to go. I went Immortal in Sabah.

They don't care about other players & damn you if you refuse their gifts. Gifting makes them feel good. I can understand this kinda...

Amun Nefer

07-07-2009, 04:01 PM

This is what's known as a double standard. :) (although it can also refer to basing monetary value off of silver and gold.)

The Trade Wall is for trading, not chatting.

I'll let some more interested people dig up your rules. :)

Ah Tink, this forum just wouldn't be as entertaining without you. :D

Edit: oh there's been another page added since I left.

joshofet

07-07-2009, 04:13 PM

In my early days in Sabah I happened to send Tinkerbell some cedar. I don't really recall why, maybe it was by mistake, maybe I just filled a shipment, maybe I though he (or she, I wasn't aware of Mark's true identity, but he was of mine) wanted it to build a few ships. Anyhow, he didn't appreciate the small donation. I suggested he would use it to build a treehouse for the kids, but I doubt he recognised that as an attempt at humour, and I got a long lecture about "the little people".

He may have returned the wood, I don't really check those kind of things, most people do as they promise, and if they don't they are almost always simply mistaken. Most people have their peculiarities, and like with most computer games, it would help if they came with a manual. I expect Mark's manual would have "handle with care" written in large capitals on the cover. I'm curious how mine would be like, maybe I should ask my wife, or then again, maybe not ;).

I simply removed Tinkerbell from my ally list, but kept trading with him occasionally. I also simply put him on my ignore list in the forum. I can sincerely recommend that. :)

Tinkerbell

07-07-2009, 04:33 PM

I love it when they make up stories

8 I also simply put him on my ignore list in the forum. I can sincerely recommend that. :)

Then wave the white flag of surrender. Even better when they brag about it.

Amun Nefer

07-07-2009, 04:47 PM

I'd trust Joost on that one, he's not usually one to tell lies. :)

I can't put Tink on Ignore, then I wouldn't get my daily dose of lulz. :( They make me feel like an M1 Abrams being shot at with a derringer. :D

Jeff Fiske

07-07-2009, 04:47 PM

Interesting how rules have evolved.

Clearly Nile Online is a social game and to a certain extent you police each other. Like what a 'fair trade is', or what is right or wrong.

But some things become unwritten rules, like attacking people should not be done without warning...etc..

Clearly there is a General Wall and a Trade Wall.

Seems to me that people who enjoy chatting would go to the General Wall. But I understand there might be more activity on the Trade wall, so you might be driven to the Trade wall.

So....looks like the community is trying what to decide in this case- what is the protocol? Well, not to treat eachother like kids on a school ground would be a good start, but that goes away as soon as you have a Social Game. Besides, some people like taking someones hat and tossing it around playing keep away as long as they can find someone they can take the hat from.

If the most beloved character made the suggestion that Tink made, might it have been better received? Seems like a reasonable suggestion to me.

From my perspective, we want you to chat- preferably on the General wall first.

But this is your game, and you should all play it and police it the way you see fit. Just try not to be so full of anger and just cause because other people are going to see it another way.

It is a game.

Amun Nefer

07-07-2009, 04:51 PM

Apologies Jeff. :(

Question though, what is the purpose of the General Wall exactly? Just game chat or is it anything?

joshofet

07-07-2009, 04:53 PM

See, that's the good thing on having these Mark V idiots like Tink and ATP on the ignore list, you don't have to read all the rubbish and nonsense they produce, and there is always some friendly masochist like AN to do the honours. :rolleyes:

And yes, I agree, please no excessive chatting on the trade wall. Do we need a poll on the meaning of "excessive"?

This is what the game says about the general wall:
For general discussion, questions, game help, etc. Check out the forums for more in-depth help/discussion.

Amun Nefer

07-07-2009, 05:01 PM

Doesn't phase me much getting insulted on the net, just absorbing what would hurt certain other peoples' feelings. :)

Main Entry:ex·ces·sive
Pronunciation:\ik-ˈse-siv\
Function:adjective
Date:14th century
: exceeding what is usual, proper, necessary, or normal
— ex·ces·sive·ly adverb
— ex·ces·sive·ness noun
synonyms excessive, immoderate, inordinate, extravagant, exorbitant, extreme mean going beyond a normal limit. excessive implies an amount or degree too great to be reasonable or acceptable <excessive punishment>. immoderate implies lack of desirable or necessary restraint <immoderate spending>. inordinate implies an exceeding of the limits dictated by reason or good judgment <inordinate pride>. extravagant implies an indifference to restraints imposed by truth, prudence, or good taste <extravagant claims for the product>. exorbitant implies a departure from accepted standards regarding amount or degree <exorbitant prices>. extreme may imply an approach to the farthest limit possible or conceivable but commonly means only to a notably high degree <extreme shyness>.

'Ere we go. :)

PantherX

07-07-2009, 06:31 PM

Thank you Mr. Fiske, you are one of the reasons I love TM.
:cool:

Jeff Fiske

07-07-2009, 09:08 PM

Apologies Jeff. :(

Question though, what is the purpose of the General Wall exactly? Just game chat or is it anything?

Not sure why you are apologizing (sp?). I try and keep my observations general and not directed at any one individual.

Well, I imagine it could even be different on each server, but I would not bat an eyelash at someone discussing the passing of MJ, or something equally pointless.

But I go back to something I said earlier, but I did not say it this literally. We make these games in no small part, for you guys to play with as you want to. You (everyone) should be policing them, and what evolves should be better than anything that we envision as the 'proper way' to use them.

Of course, insulting, badgering, harassing, or abusing these tools is what we have our rules for and occationally we are needed to mediate.

The rest is up to you. I would probably prefer that the General forum stay on topic re-nile online, but if nobody is talking about Nile online, then talking about Ikarium, Micheal Jackson, Hinterland or Xbox is fine by me.

If it is not fine by you, then posting here, or even in the chat forum, and complaining about it is a good way to resolve it or open it up for discussion.

Remember that being polite is going to get more people to agree with your cause then insulting them, or acting like because you have been playing the game longer than them (or any of our games), everyone should agree with you- is a good way to make everyone dis-agree with you.

Amun Nefer

07-07-2009, 10:30 PM

Meh, previous angry engagements with Mr. Duffy I guess, I apologised to Reed but not to you. :) (Also for being slightly more awesome than you. :p) That is proper spelling but in Commonwealth forms of English it is usually with an s.

I think most people were just cracking jokes about him, lol, if you think that's pointless you should see some of our other discussions. :D

Ah, see other people say that but no one listens, maybe coming from you they listen now. :)

Tinkerbell

07-08-2009, 09:15 AM

Nice diplomatic series of posts, Jeff. Something for everyone & we can read into your posts whatever we want to.

I have a bit of trouble with your use of the word "police", cuz that creates the impression that the game needs police & everyone & their muther then appoints themselves the Game Cop, & the supposid evil-doers ~ the criminals.

Also, the community is not the forum. The community doesn't even post on the forums & thus, what the "apparent" "majority" of forum posts indicate is an abberation of reality.

The game has a community, the General & Trade Walls have a community, and the forum has a community.

Thank you for your thoughts.

abana

07-08-2009, 09:28 AM

I think, Tinkerbelle, that you need to learn that "The police are good guys", like mothers have to teach their children.

I think that he means that we need to monitor/deal with the offenders ourselves instead of TM doing it.

Tinkerbell

07-08-2009, 11:10 AM

I think, Tinkerbelle, that you need to learn that "The police are good guys", like mothers have to teach their children.

<sigh>

and this after Jeff posted...

So....looks like the community is trying what to decide in this case- what is the protocol? Well, not to treat each other like kids on a school ground would be a good start, but that goes away as soon as you have a Social Game. Besides, some people like taking someones hat and tossing it around playing keep away as long as they can find someone they can take the hat from.

I realize that your favorite insult & that of others is to call people children.

Perhaps this will help...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KjpyHX7X-o

joshofet

07-08-2009, 11:20 AM

I don't think Jeff is promoting vigilantes, Abana, I do think he says it is everybody's, or indeed our collective responsibilty, and that if Mark hadn't played the fool so often, people would listen when he says something sensible.

Maybe in your part of the world the police are the good guys, but it ain't necessarily so, and especifically self appointed policemen have a habit of being on the wrong side of right.

Tinkerbell

07-08-2009, 11:33 AM

I don't think Jeff is promoting vigilantes, Abana, I do think he says it is everybody's, or indeed our collective responsibilty, and that if Mark hadn't played the fool so often, people would listen when he says something sensible..

and right on queue, another forum clown (who claims to have me on ignore) jumps in to insult again.

Bravo! :rolleyes:

abana

07-08-2009, 11:34 AM

I had meant just what you are saying Joshofet. Maybe "police" isn't the right word, "regulate" seems better.

I agree about Mark having played the fool so often being the cause of this.

Amun Nefer

07-08-2009, 12:11 PM

Oh dear, more arguing

Main Entry:
1po·lice Listen to the pronunciation of 1police
Pronunciation:
\pə-ˈlēs\
Function:
transitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
po·liced; po·lic·ing
Etymology:
in sense 1, from Middle French policier, from police conduct of public affairs; in other senses, from 2police
Date:
1589

1archaic : govern
2: to control, regulate, or keep in order by use of police
3: to make clean and put in order
4 a: to supervise the operation, execution, or administration of to prevent or detect and prosecute violations of rules and regulations b: to exercise such supervision over the policies and activities of
5: to perform the functions of a police force in or over

Lost Wanderer

07-08-2009, 02:38 PM

When I saw Mark's post a couple of days ago I started to reply and then stopped myself.

While I am guilty of chatting on the Trade wall in Sabah, and was forming an argument regarding why this was okay, I realized that there was some merit in his post. I've been on the trade wall in Sabah, by myself, sometimes for hours. If we (all of us, nobody in particular) didn't chat there, it would become an advertising-like tool, and may help many of us accomplish trades when we're off-line.

The problem I have experienced with people trying to trade with me minutes or hours after I have left the trade wall is that I receive multiple trades. Being small, I can't cover everybody who decided to be helpful. I end up being the recipient of goods wasn't expecting to receive, and can't repay without changing my plan. Quite simply, the trade wall is unable to act like an advertising tool because nobody knows when the order has been filled.

In Theoris, where 10 or 20 people at a time may be trying to trade, if 5 or 10 people were having general conversations, I can see how the chat would become a significant impediment to trade. But in Sabah, where my all-time high of people on the trade wall at one time is 7, and all of us were making trades and chatting at the same time, I really don't get the issue.

Ultimately I think op's idea has merit, but with the current functionality of the trade wall, it creates the op's (and many others) hated gifting situation. I certain the op doesn't want to encourage gifting...although more gifting could be more fuel for that conversation.

I could be wrong, but I think the op likes to stir the pot, really likes TM in general, and believes that any activity is good activity. I'm certain he will continue to chat on the trade wall in Sabah, and I know I will - Joyee and I have some of the best conversations on the trade wall. :p

Tinkerbell

07-08-2009, 05:01 PM

Good post, Lost Wanderer. Thank you for your thoughts!

The only objection was your last paragraph about stirring the pot. The pot-stirrers in this thread are abana, joshofet & Amun Nefer. ;)

Fenehk

07-08-2009, 06:27 PM

and right on queue, another forum clown (who claims to have me on ignore) jumps in to insult again.

Bravo! :rolleyes:
Huh, I thought you'd like that. That's exactly the kind of thing you tend to jump in and do, and you seem to get fond of people that are exactly like you.

As for the whole what's the protocol deal, when I wanna trade, I go to the Trade wall. And if no one's trading on the Trade wall, I tell them to get the heck out because I can't find any deals with them there. So... Yeah. That works pretty well. If there ARE no trades going on, I guess I couldn't care less where people do their thing. And I don't mind the occational trade on the General wall. I think it's fine when trades spontaneously spring up in there, like when people talk about how expensive a fourth city is and someone goes "Yeah, but I actually made too many bricks" and suddenly someone else says "Hey! I need bricks! Gimme!", that's all fine and dandy. But if your sole purpose is to look for trades, that's what the Trade wall is for. It's useful because eventual trade offers people may be interested in don't get spammed away by irrelevant chatter - and the irrelevant but still very interesting chatter doesn't get drowned in annoying, repeated trade requests.

The pot-stirrers in this thread are abana, joshofet, Amun Nefer & Fenehk. ;)
Fixed.

Lost Wanderer

07-08-2009, 06:38 PM

The only objection was your last paragraph about stirring the pot. The pot-stirrers in this thread are abana, joshofet & Amun Nefer. ;)

My bad... I was hoping I wold get a ...dat's true.... I guess I fail. :cool:

/hijack thread
Massive kudos to all the care & effort from you on C4 Mark. Many of your posts and sandbox experiments were a benefit to me, and I never thanked you. So, thank you.
/end hijack

hbk 00

07-08-2009, 08:08 PM

Hi Tinker! Isn't it nice to see how many people that there is that love you here on this game? :p

And, for what I have to say, It's late here and I'm tired, so will try and keep it as short and simple as I can, and not bring up every little thing you've said in this thread that I could go on about for days and just say...

First of all, your whole point is that people chat on the trade wall? You mentioned that even though the general wall is dead, people that try trade there are told to move, yes, I agree with that, and yes, I've seen people on the Trade wall ask people chatting to move to the General wall, and the chatters did. But...I have not seen the one person that is making the whole argument about people doing this, EVER ask anyone once to move to the General wall due to trading (Yes, I know you'll say you have.) Yet still, I have NEVER seen you ask anyone to move walls, all it takes is nicely asking people nicely to move over, and they will.

Also, my second point...

If you find the Chat Wall soo annoying because of people chatting there, then here's a simple solution, don't use it. From what I can see, I'm guessing about 75% of players (Just a guess, not accurate) don't use the trade/general wall, it's not necesary to use it, so why complain when you can get along fine without? No I am not asking you to stop using it, you're free to use the walls all you like, but why complain when it's not compulsary?

P.S. I have a pot, and I'm not afraid to stir it :D

Tinkerbell

07-08-2009, 08:23 PM

My bad... I was hoping I wold get a ...dat's true.... I guess I fail. :cool:

Dat's not a fact, Jack!

:cool:

Massive kudos to all the care & effort from you on C4 Mark. Many of your posts and sandbox experiments were a benefit to me, and I never thanked you. So, thank you.

We had some fun, didn't we? <blush>

Thank You!

Amun Nefer

07-08-2009, 10:23 PM

I always thought it was dat's a fact *hick* Jack. You're talking to that brown bottle in your hand right? :) Edit: Forgot to put this: "Sorry couldn't resist."

But but if we don't stir the pot all the spaghetti will stick together. :(

joshofet

07-09-2009, 08:04 AM

Would you please stop quoting Mark, now it doesn't help that I have him on my ignore list, I still have to read the nonsense he writes. If you find he is writing something sensible, then by all means make a quote, I wouldn't want to miss that!

Tinkerbell

07-09-2009, 08:19 AM

But...I have not seen the one person that is making the whole argument about people doing this, EVER ask anyone once to move to the General wall due to trading (Yes, I know you'll say you have.) Yet still, I have NEVER seen you ask anyone to move walls, all it takes is nicely asking people nicely to move over, and they will.

This is correct. I have not asked anyone on the walls to change how they post in-game.

If you find the Chat Wall soo annoying because of people chatting there,...

You have missed my entire point.

then here's a simple solution, don't use it.

This is the entire problem. Your attitude.

From what I can see, I'm guessing about 75% of players (Just a guess, not accurate) don't use the trade/general wall,

This is the entire reason why I made this thread. Are they not using it, cuz of the chatting? Would reducing the chatting increase the number of players using it? AND, it is not just the chatting, it is the type of non-game related chatting & how much of it there was. The nonsense chatting just to waste bandwidth. Chatting posts cause the trade posts to be scrolled off the screen. When I go to the Trade Wall, I always scroll down to look for other traders, so I can respond & if no answer, I scroll them. Chatting, makes these trade posts disappear faster due to the limited size of the wall & how long posts remain there.

Chatting comes in all forms, some better & interesting to all readers & some not. Also, it is not a matter of chatting per se, it is the location when there is a General Wall for unlimited chatting of all kinds. I even am against any censorship of outrageous topics I have seen on the General Walls in both worlds that we have complaints threads about on this forum. I believe that anything goes on the General Wall & this is how it should be. The Trade Wall is different ~ it is a special wall.

it's not necesary to use it,

It is not necessary to use it in a small world with few players? Are you serious?

so why complain when you can get along fine without? No I am not asking you to stop using it, you're free to use the walls all you like, but why complain when it's not compulsary?

You just did exactly that ~ your quote "then here's a simple solution, don't use it." ~ your words.

This is the problem in many parts of the game, from people like you. "If you don't like what we do, then just get lost".

Amun Nefer

07-09-2009, 10:35 AM

Yttap

07-10-2009, 11:49 AM

I don't know how many that play this game actually use trade and barter in their real lives. I believe trade and barter are great tools in real life, and the skills could be developed by anyone.
Trade demands communication, and good trading develops over time. In real life, you don't just jump in a trade. you develope relationships, which make trade all the sweeter.

I find the trade wall in Theoris abrupt and cold- might as well be playing with computer generated aardvarks. Sabah is a place where you can savor the people you are playing with- like a fine wine.
Theoris is a place to slam back a generic soda. (with artificial sweetener.)

I'll continue to chat when the time is right, and back off if someone wants to trade. I have noticed that often when people get irritated by chatters, that they don't have anything someone wants, or that they come in after the deals are done.
It's a game. A GAME

Amun Nefer

07-10-2009, 07:30 PM

Oh very much so Yttap, there are such practices as addressing the other person as friend or brother (not so much sister in most places). There is also not much haggling on the trade wall. It could work for people to use both trade and general at the same time, but they might forget to switch back and forth.

LeighLe1gh

07-11-2009, 07:43 PM

However I too believe that there is an art to trade and barter. I normally go on the wall by watching to see the posts and to get a feeling for what is being traded. When I approach the wall with WTT ........ I rarely get a response. When I say a polite hello to those I know and greet the wall followed by a request for trade items I almost always get a response even if it is not the response I had hoped for. I to have found that I much prefer trading in Sabah to the cold and distant place that Theoris has become.

And yes I am one of those people who take up multiple lines when I am trying to trade. I never had any idea that it was negatively impacting trade on the wall by eliminating more records of requests. It just happens that I don't keyboard particularly well and I have arthritis so in order to enter into a trade I try and respond immediately to a request for a trade and then I have a few minutes to type in a response with what I have to offer. If anyone had ever made a request to have us move to the general wall and trade there we would have. But no such request has ever been made.

The most important part of the game for me is the networking. Meeting people all over the world is fantastic. Making friends on the trade board and gifting those who need it. I don't comprehend why that is a problem? I do not have a "God Complex" and have never felt that those who have gifted others or who contact me through scrolls (as I do when I need something - I frequently contact others in my Nome to trade) are in any way causing harm. I can only handle so many 24 hour trades - I do not have unlimited ships and Hapi demands her payment.

I had trade partners and people I considered friends - however virtual they may have been - who had every intention of not going immortal and waiting to see what would happen when the envoys came. I was away for a week and when I came back they had gone immortal or disappeared. Now I wonder if they were driven away by the discord being expressed here. Yes everyone plays the game his or her own way but it is a GAME.

Bye the way can someone enlighten me as to what op's are?

abana

07-11-2009, 07:50 PM

Op is "original poster", and don't worryTinkerbelle is never satisfied,

Amun Nefer

07-11-2009, 07:52 PM

That's not true C, if you do exactly as he asks, then he is quite satisfied. :)

abana

07-11-2009, 07:54 PM

Not really, cause he also says that everyone should play his own game.

Amun Nefer

07-11-2009, 08:09 PM

lol, and if you somehow will yourself to play the game by his rules then I'm sure he'll be nice. :D

joshofet

07-12-2009, 04:30 AM

I play the forum by his rules and he sure isn't happy with that. :D

Amun Nefer

07-12-2009, 12:30 PM

Well Josh

http://www.zagura.ro/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/god-kills-kitten-troll.jpg

PantherX

07-12-2009, 07:31 PM

lol ya all crack me up..

http://www.kneeslappers.net/content/animals/dogs/loldog-cracked-up.jpg

DustysMomma

07-13-2009, 12:11 AM

But those rules are also ever changing, and don't apply to him when he doesn't want to play by them....

Mikkeah

07-13-2009, 08:00 PM

I stand corrected, Tinkerbell, because I thought you were female. Isn't Tinkerbell female in the movie and in the book?

I too am very guilty of chattering and placing graffiti on the trade wall in Sabah.

I don't intend to stop putting my graffiti up...so I guess this is an impasse for a lot of us, at least until those who chatter leave Sabah.

Maybe we chattering magpies can stay on Sabah and you can go have fun on Theo?

Tinkerbell

07-15-2009, 10:57 AM

I stand corrected, Tinkerbell, because I thought you were female. Isn't Tinkerbell female in the movie and in the book?

Yes, she is! The origin of my 2nd forum moniker has a vast & varied reason, most of it subtle. I had absolutely no idea that many of my debate opponents would use it as a homosexual slur in their arguments, but it happens a lot & these posters (Like the "Doctor") use it. It comes with the territory, I guess.

I too am very guilty of chattering and placing graffiti on the trade wall in Sabah.

I see.

I don't intend to stop putting my graffiti up...so I guess this is an impasse for a lot of us, at least until those who chatter leave Sabah.

I made this thread to increase understanding, that there is another side to the coin. I don't expect those who chat on the Trade Wall to stop. I expect them to increase their chatting, just cuz they can. It is how these things work. As one poster said in this thread, there is even an attempted boycott against me over this thread. It is petty & expected.

Maybe we chattering magpies can stay on Sabah and you can go have fun on Theo?

I play both worlds. I have not asked you to stop playing. Why do you ask me to?

Amun Nefer

07-15-2009, 12:09 PM

Tinkerbell

07-15-2009, 12:18 PM

Mark, I ask again, WHY when you use a name like Tinkerbell do you think the fairy thing is a slur? I'm asking this is an honest question since it's obviously referring to your screen name (and a common reference at that). Labeling someone a homophobe off-hand like that is not very good, it. (even though the net is rife with them)

The thing about that one Tink is oftentimes people do something like that solely to piss someone off, try to proposing the idea but be diplomatic, that is usually the best approach and it's how you win people over to your side.

I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic...

Sarcasm is a form of humor that uses sharp, cutting remarks or language intended to mock, wound, or subject to contempt or ridicule.[1] It is first recorded in English in The Shepheardes Calender in 1579:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

Sarcasm is an insult & not acceptable

Amun Nefer

07-15-2009, 12:25 PM

...

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m169/Bigmack1066/pot_calls_kettle_black.jpg

and

http://www.thereisaway.us/images/Hypocrite.jpg

Apologies to our South African users. :(

Tinkerbell

07-15-2009, 12:32 PM

...luv it when forum clowns sign their posts...funnier than hell...

Amun Nefer

07-15-2009, 12:33 PM

...What signatures?...Also, where is hell funny except the second bolgia of Circle 7?...which is freaking hilarious... :p

Mikkeah

07-15-2009, 07:44 PM

Ahhh, Tinkerbell, I would NEVER suggest YOU stop playing the game, either on Sabah or on Theoris. After all, if you stop playing, that means binary thinkers will have to find another scapegoat!

So by all means, play and trade. After all, it IS just a game, and I've always heard, rules were made to be broken. Don't you agree?

SO, let's see how many more rules we can break as we continue having fun playing on the Nile! :) :D

Amun Nefer

07-16-2009, 06:12 AM

TM rules or Tinkerbell rules?

DustysMomma

07-16-2009, 06:54 AM

Tink rules of course!

But is so much fun!!!

joshofet

07-16-2009, 09:32 AM

NO rulez! :eek:

Doctor Sarcophagus

07-16-2009, 06:45 PM

wtt a sense of humour for sticks and stones

Ahhhhh come on, Tink, you know I mean you no harm. I presume I am homophobic because I used the word Ladyboy and flung some Pogues lyrics on to the wall. You really should not take these things to heart. You know what its like, just an idle bit of chatter between friends.

Anandita

07-24-2009, 12:57 PM

I think Tink is lonely... lol

Amun Nefer

07-25-2009, 04:21 AM

Yes he needs a hug I think, or another cruise...

Mikkeah

06-20-2010, 09:21 AM

[QUOTE=Tinkerbell;261212]The General Wall is for chatting. The Trade Wall is for trading.

When traders come on the General Walls, they are immediately told to go to the Trade Wall by you same clowns. Love the hypocrisy...

Update: Once again, I just checked the Sabah Trade Wall & there are tons of players trading & not chatting too much as before. Thank you all!
QUOTE]

Has anyone noticed how these words have come back to haunt the writer? Black and white, Bad Billy III

IMHO, I TINK he's become a hypocrite because I recently had to ask him to move aside so I could do some trading on the TRADE WALL :D

If time changes all things...wait for it...wait for it...never mind, some TINKS never change.

Pontius Pilatus

06-20-2010, 11:22 AM

[quote=Tinkerbell;261212]The General Wall is for chatting. The Trade Wall is for trading.

When traders come on the General Walls, they are immediately told to go to the Trade Wall by you same clowns. Love the hypocrisy...

Update: Once again, I just checked the Sabah Trade Wall & there are tons of players trading & not chatting too much as before. Thank you all!
QUOTE]

Has anyone noticed how these words have come back to haunt the writer? Black and white, Bad Billy III

IMHO, I TINK he's become a hypocrite because I recently had to ask him to move aside so I could do some trading on the TRADE WALL :D

If time changes all things...wait for it...wait for it...never mind, some TINKS
never change.

He just attacked your monument Mikkeah, because you asked him to behave by his own "rules"?

Hillarious, didn't know he could break down more than he allready did, anything is possible with that one, poor bugger.:(LOL

:cool: