My new Monument Names, Bevus & ButtHead

[Gazoo]

Guess it was only a Matter of Time.

I had 1 Monument on Sabah taken a couple days ago and just today had Both my Monuments on Theoris taken.

Theoris:

You were attacked by bevus on 4:38pm 09/03/2009
bevus sent 216 116 226
You had 48 47 138

Combat Details
bevus killed 48 47 131 of your army
You killed 40 115 27 of the enemy army
bevus captured 0 0 7 from you!

You were attacked by Clean Rook on 4:42pm 09/03/2009
Clean Rook sent 157 120 143
You had 0 0 0

Combat Details
Clean Rook killed 0 0 0 of your army
You killed 0 0 0 of the enemy army
Clean Rook captured 0 0 0 from you!

(I retreated my 2nd Monument's Troops 4 minutes before landing)

I had only 150 Troops sitting at each Monument. I did log on early enough to see them coming about 30 minutes in advance. Did then turn on my Troop Buildings to Max but 30 minutes is not a whole lot of time.

I waited til' I had about 1400 Troops (700 per Monument) then launched the 2 Retake attempts (Both successful btw). Bevus had left his Booty with 0 Troops & Clean Rook had about 30 at his. I wasn't sure though how many troops they each had for Bolstering if they chose to.

1 thing a bit strange though, those 2 attacks were from 2 Players at very different Geographical Areas of the Game, but came within 5 minutes of each other. I smell a little Collusion ? :confused: Maybe a Rank Oriented Attack ?, Hired Thugs ?

I did give my 2 Retaken Monuments neat new names "Bevus and" "ButtHead_Clean Rook" :D

Btw. For any of you that enjoy this PvP Part of the Game and have only 1 Monument (Players with 2 Monuments are restricted from Monument Attacks), Are you interested in some sort of Mercenary Job ? I'd like to teach these 2 Players a nice 'Thievery' Lesson and have Plenty of Resources to make it worth your while. ;)

[joshofet]

You are probably right in assuming that the attacks from different players were coordinated. I think you are wrong in putting it into a personal perspective and making it a moral issue, if that is what you are doing. The attack as was performed by your enemies seems to fall within the premises of the game, and so does your retaliation. Just don't make it into a crusade. Have fun! :)

[Gazoo]

making it a moral issue

Not really making it a Moral issue, sorry if my wording comes across that way.

Monument take-overs are rather annoying though, specially when the Rank Value of a Monument is so Great. It is a lot of work to obtain high rank, mainly being the specific times of the day needed to be online to start upgrades.

It's very easy for a low Rank Player to be a 'Bully' for they really have nothing to lose. Sure I could probably get into a long drawn-out battle with both my Attackers and probably do quite well due to my Building levels & Resource Pools, but then I would probably lose a lot of hard-earned Rank in the process.

Therefore my 'Jab' about hiring Mercenaries is not totally out of line, albeit not exactly an Idea you'd bring home to your Mother lol.

It's too easy for a Player with nothing to lose to be able to step in and change the outcome of the Game. But your right, Monument take-overs are an allowed part of this game.

However though look what has just happened to Amon Ra II. Bevus didn't just stop at taking one of my Monuments, after I ousted Bevus from mine he looks to have gone on and taken one of Amon's Monuments. Amon has dropped from Rank 5 down to Rank 12 just by losing one of his Monuments. I re-took my Monuments within a few hours after the Heist so I had 2 Level 3 Monuments when Rank Update hit, thus I didn't lose any Rank at all (actually figured I'd lose a few Ranks but didn't).

This Thread isn't really meant as a Complaint, IE Monument Take-overs are completely allowed and I really shouldn't have had only 150 Troops at each Monument. But a Theft is still a Theft and shouldn't go unchecked. My Mercenary Crack is actually an attempt to raise the Eyebrows of PvP-Oriented players into now seeing where the action is, it may then be harder to take my Monuments again when your too busy fighting on another Front :D

[joshofet]

When attacked, they will simply draw back their soldiers and use the opportunity to attack another players. The only way to neutralize raiders is let them be stuck with two useless monuments.

I guess 150 troops is OK if your neighbours have less, but it seems some raiders focus on high rank players. Their way of having fun ...

[Tinkerbell]

Howdy, Gazoo!

TM could always make it cost at least one scarab for each attack.

:D

Morning EDIT: This was not a frivolous joke post, but VERY serious. Most of the times I have been griefed are from players who are not Nile Online Supporters, especially the 2nd member of the griefing team, where I suspect possible multiple accounts. (Loose definition of multiple accounts here, as including pushing accounts by friends/family that are technically legal, but not really playing ~ only reason they exist is to push the main account). Griefers (like abana/deleted player & ATR/Mr Ears & Arnold/Arnold II team) are not really playing the game, they are only in the game to have fun causing trouble. Nothing wrong with that, but I believe they should be paying for the game. (Note, abana IS a Nile Online Supporter, but deleted player/Mr Ears/Arnold/Arnold II are not.)

bevus is a Nile Online Supporter, but Clean Rook is not.

See a pattern here?

Costing scarabs to attack should be considered, TM.

Enemy soldiers incoming to your monument(s)
An estimated 238 troops from Terminator 2 (318N) heading toward Ansel Adams (26N)! (arrival in 2h 26m)
An estimated 26 troops from Terminator 2 (318N) heading toward John Muir (15N)! (arrival in 31h 01m)
An estimated 53 troops from Terminator 2 (318N) heading toward Ansel Adams (26N)! (arrival in 31h 07m)
An estimated 72 troops from Terminator 2 (318N) heading toward John Muir (15N)! (arrival in 31h 08m)
An estimated 12 troops from Terminator 1 (165N) heading toward Ansel Adams (26N)! (arrival in 42h 49m)
An estimated 26 troops from Terminator 2 (318N) heading toward John Muir (15N)! (arrival in 42h 51m)
An estimated 50 troops from Terminator 1 (165N) heading toward Ansel Adams (26N)! (arrival in 42h 57m)

Example from my Theoris Combat Log at the moment. This should cost the attacker, Arnold II, at least 7 scarabs. Again, Arnold II is not a Nile Online Supporter.

[Jeff Fiske]

Well, it could be more like an 'opt in' type of thing...

If you purchase scarabs, then you can participate in monument attacks- regardless if they cost scarabs to actually do the attacks.

Don't think we would do this at this point, but definitely worth considering as a rule on a server, if we have multiple servers with different rules.

[Tinkerbell]

Thank You, Jeff!

Buying scarabs is what Nile needs to survive & I really believe this suggestion will even help the peaceful players too, in that it would cut down a bit on the attacks but keep PvP in the game!

[Amun Nefer]

Hey Jeff, I don't suppose you could maybe clean out a few of these ads could ya? They're starting to smell up the joint.

[Mr Ears]

Buying scarabs is what Nile needs to survive & I really believe this suggestion will even help the peaceful players too, in that it would cut down a bit on the attacks but keep PvP in the game!

Hi Tink!

To me, this slightly sounds like wining. And the "attackers are usually no supporters" thing seems to be just a legitimization of your point. Because: how many of those in the game, who attack just for fun AND haven't purchased yet, how many of this subset would become purchasers? 4? 5? Or only 1 or 2? Because there are only few players who represent that group, you can actually count them on one hand. You see: you try to legitimize your wining by faking a purpose. Because to have 2 customers more, that isn't really a concern. You are mantling your wining in a concern that is no concern, if you look closer. So to me this is just wining about your situation and being the target of some attacks lately, while trying to cover the wining by pretending a reason, and this is a bit hypocritical and pathetic to me. Sorry to say that, but can you see my point?

Note: An estimated 95% (my estimate) of all monument holders has never even experienced an attack ever! By the way, I'm one of them.

Anyway, I hope we can leave all the skirmish behind soon, as about the game we agree on more points than disagree, I'm open to it, was open to it all the time.... hope you're open to it, too.

I wanted to really emphasize the one thing in this thread that was said and that REALLY matters:

but definitely worth considering as a rule on a server, if we have multiple servers with different rules.

That's what you were hoping for. That's what I and probably many were hoping for. One day being able to chose the NO world that suits your idea of excitement. Only to hear that it is taken into consideration is fantastic news!

[Tinkerbell]

Once again, you totally missed the point, Ears.

I love the PvP part of the game.

You were attacked by Mr Ears on 6:48pm 09/03/2009
Mr Ears sent 139 95 197
You had 175 114 204

Combat Details
Mr Ears killed 82 114 60 of your army
You killed 139 93 112 of the enemy army
You captured 0 2 4 from Mr Ears!

Result
You kept the monument!

Your "teammate", Arnold II in Theoris did even more poorly...

You were attacked by Arnold II on 11:24am 09/05/2009
Arnold II sent 90 80 80
You had 142 93 176

Combat Details
Arnold II killed 47 84 30 of your army
You killed 90 80 80 of the enemy army
You captured 0 0 0 from Arnold II!

Result
You kept the monument!

This one of yours incoming now is also about to be destroyed...

Enemy soldiers incoming to your monument(s)
An estimated 305 troops from The Combat Factory (8S) heading toward Waterwheel Falls (0S)! (arrival in 1h 17m)

Anrnold II's other attacks posted above will be destroyed also.

However, it is very easy for "players" such as yourself to create an account & use your 10 free scarabs to create a 2 1/2 city griefing account (of only military warmats) & harrass the peaceful players. If it cost you scarabs to attack, you couldn't do it. Not w/o buying scarabs. You are a parasite on the game, producing nothing worthwhile (nor anything worthwhile on this forum either).

Now the thread was about another player, but the point still stands. bevus cannot operate alone, he has a "teammate", one who does not buy scarabs.

bevus' Theoris profile now has 122 attacks which under my suggestion would have cost him 122 scarabs. This would slow down his harassment of peaceful players quite a bit, and totally stop his "teammate".

Basically, TM, what I am proposing, is that if you wanna PvP in Nile Online, then pay for the game AND each attack. Outta help out the peaceful players a lot.

Paying players in Nile are serious players & we have FUN! You are not a serious Nile player at all, Ears.

...the Lab ... continues...

:D

EDIT: Battle results ~ Totally wiped out...

You were attacked by Mr Ears on 1:21am 09/06/2009
Mr Ears sent 125 85 120
You had 154 124 242

Combat Details
Mr Ears killed 54 124 45 of your army
You killed 109 85 105 of the enemy army
You captured 16 0 15 from Mr Ears!

Result
You kept the monument!

;)

[Mr Ears]

Basically, TM, what I am proposing, is that if you wanna PvP in Nile Online, then pay for the game AND each attack.

You can't be serious, Tink. You are promoting PvP and suggest such a thing that would let PvP totally die? And that would happen. Look how much is PvPed today. With a pay per attack, PvP would completely disappear.

EDIT: Battle results ~ Totally wiped out...

That was not nice. I could have used some returning soldiers. I have outposts in 2 nomes. :mad:

[Zeal]

how about trying to find a middle ground

Maybe consider a one time cost to 'permanently activate' the ability to attack other players. maybe 2 or 3 scarabs as a one time cost?

unfortunately it will not really stop team PVPing because they will just gift their friends the scarabs, BUT, TM gets the money for the scarabs either way.

[Amun Nefer]

4 or 5 to make it extra pricey. ಠ_ಠ

[Pontius Pilatus]

Hmm,

Now if I recall correctly, the first big operation that wiped out Tinkerbell's monuments completely, was of a very different order. These were not grieferaccounts. They were players going immortal with a bang. One of them was even OCC without paid scarabs. The result as even you recall Tinkerbell, was devastating to the core. You couldn't even retake the monuments immediately because waves of troops from [deleted player] were still coming in. I like that, going immortal the warrior way. I would not like it if this "honourable" way of ending it all was blocked by scarabneeds. I would go even further: if this PvP for scarabs ever gets implemented, let's make it free for all players who met all requirements of immortality. Just my two scabs. ;)

[Ivy]

unfortunately it will not really stop team PVPing because they will just gift their friends the scarabs, BUT, TM gets the money for the scarabs either way.

How about having it so that you could only attack if you had bought the scarabs, not been gifted them? Just flinging the idea out there. I have no idea if it can be done but they did manage to make it so that you could only give away scarabs if you had bought them yourself. Maybe there is some sort of a flag for Nile Supporter?

Another random thought. What if a Peaceful Player is attacked and their monument plot taken? Seems they would have to enable attack mode to get it back, whether it is a one-off cost or per attack. This would involve them spending scarabs too. They probably wouldn't be happy about this but on one hand it might mean less plots with zero or just a handful of defenders (because they wouldn't want to risk the loss) and on the other hand more money for TM.

More defenders at monuments would mean also limestone would be relatively more expensive to produce. From what I have read previously, TM expected monuments to be more fought over and thus defended.

[Pontius Pilatus]

How about having it so that you could only attack if you had bought the scarabs, not been gifted them? Just flinging the idea out there. I have no idea if it can be done but they did manage to make it so that you could only give away scarabs if you had bought them yourself. Maybe there is some sort of a flag for Nile Supporter?



Well that is one step removed from denying free players all military action. You might as well say you have to buy the barracks with scabs.
If such a thing is implemented it's byebye from all free players, including me. :mad:

[Mr Ears]

how about trying to find a middle ground

Maybe consider a one time cost to 'permanently activate' the ability to attack other players. maybe 2 or 3 scarabs as a one time cost?

4 or 5 to make it extra pricey. ಠ_ಠ

@ Zeal & Amun: agree!

[Tinkerbell]

Hmm,

Now if I recall correctly, the first big operation that wiped out Tinkerbell's monuments completely, was of a very different order. These were not grieferaccounts. They were players going immortal with a bang. One of them was even OCC without paid scarabs. The result as even you recall Tinkerbell, was devastating to the core. You couldn't even retake the monuments immediately because waves of troops from [deleted player] were still coming in. I like that, going immortal the warrior way. I would not like it if this "honourable" way of ending it all was blocked by scarabneeds. I would go even further: if this PvP for scarabs ever gets implemented, let's make it free for all players who met all requirements of immortality. Just my two scabs. ;)

What are you talkiing about "was devastating to the core"? If you are counting ranks, my ranks in both worlds are still higher than they were before I lost my four L5 monuments in both worlds. The Immortality goers lost big time & it cost abana a decent immortality pyramd, cuz she dropped outta the top 100. I outrank all my attackers. Did before & still do.

That is not going Immortality "with a bang" ~ it is going Immortality like a coward. No Honor at all. And still losing.

I could have gone Immortailty in Theoris at any time & could have in JUNE-JULY.

Question

Do you know how to play this game at all?

[Tinkerbell]

Well that is one step removed from denying free players all military action. You might as well say you have to buy the barracks with scabs.
If such a thing is implemented it's byebye from all free players, including me. :mad:

I feel no pity at all for players who refuse to pay for & support the game, when it is so cheap to play in the first place. TM has bills & salaries to pay.

You can go immortality by never buying scarabs.

40 cents to attack is too much for you? LOL

That is EXACTLY my point. To remove non-paying players who only exist to grief other players from the game. You wanna grief, then you pay to do it & each attack costs 1 scarab.

This is a Defense of Peaceful Players Suggestion !!!

I am a proud Warmonger with Honor Player. I do not grief. I can handle anything you or TM throws at me. This is NOT about me; it is about My Peaceful Brothers & Sisters™. :)

...God, I absolutely love this game...

:D

[Pontius Pilatus]

@Tinkerbell the Magnificent Augustus etc etc

Well do I hear correctly you <Tinkerbell> deny me the right to play a game for free? I must have misunderstood. So people who can buy scarabs, with all the perks it gives, look down upon less fortunate people who have to struggle through an OCC to reach immortality(let alone never can compete in rank).
You are elitist and unsporting. You are the pro-league who get's beaten by gifted amateurs and then belittles their inferior equipment, laughing away your defeat and winking "Ohh, don't you see, amateurs, I let them win". Do you really think anybody buys such behaviour? Behind your back you are made fun of. And here we do it out in the open. You are a pathetic laughinstock and a very poor loser.

Cheers!

[Mr Ears]

I think you go too far with your accusations. At this point I really have to take defense of him. I can't imagine you know him good enough to call him all these names. I wouldn't do it. Actually I think Tink quite okay personally. But I can't really tell. I will probably never know him good enough to judge him.

and a very poor loser.

But here you've hit the jackpot! THAT he definitely IS! :D

[Pontius Pilatus]

I think you go too far with your accusations. At this point I really have to take defense of him. I can't imagine you know him good enough to call him all these names. I wouldn't do it. Actually I think Tink quite okay personally. But I can't really tell. I will probably never know him good enough to judge him.



But here you've hit the jackpot! THAT he definitely IS! :D

You are right ofcourse I shouldn't have called him Magnificent, Augustus or pro-league.

Cheers!

[Mr Ears]

You know... lowering the voice at somebody you cannot personally judge, that isn't good sportsmanship either.

[Pontius Pilatus]

Hmm,

Now I know, you are also in the trollpoll, you are solliciting my vote, right?

TSS, I am incorruptible, I still abstain.

Cheers!

[Gazoo]

Hi All

Sorry I didn't mean to start a War with this Thread lol

Monument take-overs have and always have been a known part of this Game. So really I can't complain too much. But it really is a bit different when your Rank actually starts to mean something, like the Top 10 I was in.

Believe it or not getting to and staying in the Top 10 is a fair amount of Work (Big Part being online for Upgrades at all hours of the day). So when my Monuments were taken at Rank #4 it kind of instantly puts you in a minor state of Panic LOL (Really just a natural reaction)

I was lucky enough to have just logged on to see the incoming attacks. It didn't prevent the take-overs but it gave me more time to take them back therefore I did not lose any rank.

1 Thing I will admit about these take-overs though is that I received 1 Free Rank from them. I was pretty much stuck at Rank #4, I simply could not catch the Top 3 (Valky, Chocola & Zhed) even after quite a few weeks of trying. Then sometime before the Rank Update 2 hours ago someone had taken Valky's 2 Monuments so he dropped from #1 to #5. But that actually gave me a Free Rank Upgrade from 4 to 3

So I decided to take that unforeseen Rank Gift and went Immortal at #3 a couple hours ago. (Special Thanks to Valky)

BTW. I ended up chatting back n forth with Bevus on General Wall the very next day after he & C. Rook took my Pyramids. Bevus was quite polite & basically seemed like a pretty nice person. Neither Bevus nor C.Rook attempted to keep my Monuments so I guess they were at least a Gentlemen Thief lol. Being in the heat of the Rank race is a real pain though so I had always planned to get them back, but Immortality and now being able to enjoy my Beer won out :cool:

[PantherX]

I am not sure but it also seems like losing your monuments and getting them back seems to help your rank (short term effect?) after you get them back.

I was at 98, sitting there nice and solid, lost a monument, dropped to 108, when I got my monument back I was at 96. I wanted to re-build the monument and quarry the 2 levels that were lost in the takeover but in the time it took, my rank actually dropped down to 97,
When my last palace hit 22, poof I was gone. Immortal at rank 97 and no tomb in the nome screens.

:cool: