did you know?

[angelisis]

my son and i went into town this afternoon and i went into a major distributor in oz that sell pc,nintendo,playstation games etc.
anyway i asked if they knew anything about CotN (of course thinking i would know anything they had to say anyway cause of this swanky forum and it's members :D), but still you want to hear what other people think.
well the three guys working there did not know a thing, had not heard of tilt mill did not even have a clue about CotN release date NOTHING! i had to fill em in. very disappointed i tried another gaming shop, similar thing happened but at least they "sorta" knew what i was talking about. dear me i was very upset. my ten year old knew more than these "experts" did.
funny thing was they all claimed to be huge fan's of Pharaoh-cleo, Zeus, empire earth etc etc.
:rolleyes: hmmmmmm

angelisis

[Son of Moose]

I think that a lot of people who work at game shops are not really all that clued up. The guys at one of the local game shops that I occassionally frequent know all about the latest FPS games (and take great pride in telling one how often they play them) but know "squat" about any of the more intelligent genres (such as Sim games and CB games).

Goes to show ...

[NilePlanckton]

Yeah, once I went to one shop, looking for some simulation/strategy/city-building games that I didn't have already, and somehow they saw I was coming... (the place was almost empty), and they all came and gave me stickers and stuff from FPS games, trying to convince me to buy them. Not that I hate these kind of games, but actually I prefer something more "mind entertaining"... too bad there was nothing like this there. :( I took the stickers with me, though :D

[vovan]

The guys at one of the local game shops that I occassionally frequent...

lol :D

On a serious note, I think people who work at these shops are pretty much representative of the population of their age. I mean, you ask any person in thier early 20s what game they like, and more likely than not they will say FPS, so no surprise there.

Vovan

[SnowDove]

I checked with my guys at the local EB and they had no info whatsoever either. However, give them a chance -I'm sure as soon as a release date is published they'll get the info. At EB they are always able to have the software I want as soon as it is available.... as long as I pre-order.

[Traxia]

Well my fiance works at Gamestation and the release is on his books. It's about November.

[dreamsoftwilight]

Well they can have November all they want, but that doesnt mean it will be released then. I remember all the "when will it be released" posts back on the old Pharoah and Zeus forums, everyday there was a totally new thread, despite the old one saying the exact same thing! November seems logical since we're in beta test already, but who knows...

[Cironir]

The latest video also mentions November as the release date. :)

[Son of Moose]

Nile Planckton

I took the stickers with me, though

Clever man --- that will most definitely teach them to respect the CB player in the future!! ;) We can be quite a crafty bunch ... :)


Vovan:

Yes --- I have to admit to visiting some of the local game shops although I could think of some worse places to admit visiting. :o Seriously, I find it extremely interesting to scan the latest magazines and the latest titles on the shelves to see where games are going --- what are the latest features appearing in the new games, are there any new genres emerging, etc, etc.

With best wishes

[NeilV]

With most gameshops here in Eire if its not a console game they don't know but they will look it up for me but if it not on the system they have know idea. :(

[Bizkit]

The main PC games magazine in Romania has so far mentioned CotN in a 50-word article, in the News section (back in May, IIRC). I actually wrote an e-mail to the guy in charge of RTS/CB (pfft, they don't have a person for CB's only) to tell him about the development of the game (screenshots, trailers).. No response.
I guess it's no use asking about it at a PC games store.. :rolleyes:

[RSchwind]

I hate to generalize but most of the games shops I have visited have been overrun with console games now. In order to get a PC game I have to hack my way through the pre-teens to the verrrrrrrrrry back of the store. And to ask about any games other than Doom3, Half-Life, or (insert FPS title here), well, they sort of get this dull-eyed drooly look and then I give up.

[vovan]

Nile Planckton
Vovan:
Yes --- I have to admit to visiting some of the local game shops although I could think of some worse places to admit visiting. :o

Well, you see that's not why I laughed. :) I mean, nothing wrong with going to a game shop every now and then. What made me smile was you unintentional oxymoron: "occasionally frequent". ;)

Vovan

[Nero Would]

Well they can have November all they want, but that doesnt mean it will be released then. I remember all the "when will it be released" posts back on the old Pharoah and Zeus forums, everyday there was a totally new thread, despite the old one saying the exact same thing! November seems logical since we're in beta test already, but who knows...
This is true, but both Pharaoh and Zeus were released round about November 1st (in the U.S.), so I'm quietly hopeful it will be the same for CotN.

[Scott7]

I would be extremely happy with an early November release, because I could get it for my birthday.

By the way, I looked at Keith's profile, and he has the same birthday as me, November 9th. Weird.

[vovan]

By the way, I looked at Keith's profile, and he has the same birthday as me, November 9th. Weird.

You know, it's funny. I'd never met a person with the same birthday as me untill recently, and yet during the past two weeks alone, I met three people who were born on the same day as I (some even in the same year :eek: ). Talk about weird.

Vovan

[imhotep3147]

lol :D

..... you ask any person in thier early 20s what game they like, and more likely than not they will say FPS, so no surprise there.

Vovan

:eek: HEY!!!!!!!!!!! not fair....... broad sweeping generalizations based on unintelligent beings masquerading as people (namely game store clerks....with a few exceptions) is no reason to assume that we "younguns don't appreciate a thoroughly droolworthy game such as CotN.
BTW....I'm not truly offended :D but it sounded good didn't it? :p

To clarify my "unintelligent being" comment: A guy at my local game store has tried for the last 7 years to get me to buy anything other than a city builder, simulation, or "tycoon" game. He still hasn't given up, I bought my boyfriend Battlefield Vietnam for his birthday and the clerk about dropped dead from heart palpitations.

[Azeem]

Heh. I'm within that age group yet I'm a bit of a "stick in the mud". ;) In other words I'm often wary of the recent trends that over-emphasize 'realism', I'd much rather have old tried-and-true game engines re-used and slightly modified, and I have a bit of distaste for fancy 3D graphics. :) I guess I'm a bit "traditional."

[Keith]

I would be extremely happy with an early November release, because I could get it for my birthday.

By the way, I looked at Keith's profile, and he has the same birthday as me, November 9th. Weird.
Truly a fateful day in history. :)

[Traxia]

I'm in my twenties....

I HATE FPS....

I have a fiance who's a gamestore 'clerk'

He know's about games other than FPS...

He's in his twenties...

Stop picking on us *sob*

[dreamsoftwilight]

Congratulations, you and your fiance are in the little pc gamer demographic. hahaha.

I dont like FPS's either.

[NeilV]

I am in my 30's and I love FPS as well as real games: rolleyes: I think they are a great 8 hours stress relief but I do prefer a nice RTS Or CB game when I want to stretch my Brain :cool:

[RSchwind]

Then you two are truly rare and enlightened. :D

[Traxia]

Hey I'm enlightened too!

[RSchwind]

Perhaps we should start a cult? :rolleyes:

[Cironir]

I liked Doom and Doom 2, when they were new -- it was good fun in a LAN. But after that, my interest in them died. Occasionally, I will pick up a new FPS, just to see how the technology has improved, but they always fail to spark any "Must play, my precioussss!" kind of interest.

I can relate to just wanting to relax after a stressful, tiresome day, though. My secret love are pinball games, which are very easy on the intellect. ;) (There is some skill involved, or so I like to tell myself!) There've only been few new pinball releases in recent years. Pure Pinball was the most recent one, I think, and came out over a year ago. Not a bad simulation at all, but the Empire ones (Pro Pinball series) are more fun. I really like Big Race USA and Timeshock!, both came out in the second half of the nineties. Surprisingly, they still look sharp.

[EmperorJay]

Try www.americasarmy.com; it's a FPS shooter developed by the US Army and funded for at least another 3 years, it's free so you'll be able to follow the development without having to spend money on it.

[Little von]

You need to fix your link, jay. ;)

I want to try that FPS out. I like free stuff.

:D

[Cironir]

Looks like a propaganda tool to me. :) Not surprising, though, just a bit disturbing.

[vovan]

Bah, come on. I'm in my twenties too, and yet I don't like FPSs. That wasn't my point. I didn't say, everybody in that age group is like that. I merely said, the majority. Us lot here is by no means representative of the whole population, and that's been discussed to death. :) If Azeem here is a "stick in the mud", then we all are like... I don't know ... A whole forest. ;) However, still, the comparative popularity of FPSs over Citybuilders says that we are, nonetheless, a niche market. But whatever. That's nothing to be ashamed of. At least we stand out in the crowd. :P (In a good way I hope. :D)

EDIT: Eep, I guess I missed the whole second page of the thread. That rant was re: "Stop picking on us" ;)

[EmperorJay]

They have admitted that it's a recruitment tool, go figure :) . Fixed the link too.

[Traxia]

I saw it on a documentary of E3.

Even the army admits it's a recruitement tool.

Kinda 'You like blowing up people in the game, try the army and do it for real'

Of course people who take that route to recruitment shouldn't be allowed to carry guns...

[Son of Moose]

Kinda 'You like blowing up people in the game, try the army and do it for real'

I fear that (for some individuals at least) you are totally correct. That might help to explain some of the deplorable events reported from Iraq. [I am certainly not trying to provoke contraversy with this statement. :eek: ] One would really hope that in these supposedly highly enlightened days that the military might come up with a more sophisticated recruitment tool! :( One can only hope that they do screen their recruits with a thorough battery of psychometric tests in order to exclude the "nutters" ... :confused:

[Bizkit]

Did you hear about the events in the USA a couple of weeks ago? It was in Florida, IIRC. Two people got shot and killed for a game console. :( Shoot-outs happen every year and the phenomena has crossed the ocean (Germany, last year). There's a lot to talk about this, but I don't think it's the game designers' fault. I mean, games like that get sold all over the world, but the only countries where negative incidents happen are those where the media is doing a 'wonderful' job in making violence part of every-day life. I won't go deeper into the subject.
Anyway, I won't be letting my children get their hands on a FPS game until they're old enough to drive :D . Why not the friendly, educational and sometimes brainstorming CB?

[Azeem]

Did you hear about the events in the USA a couple of weeks ago? It was in Florida, IIRC. Two people got shot and killed for a game console. :( Shoot-outs happen every year and the phenomena has crossed the ocean (Germany, last year). There's a lot to talk about this, but I don't think it's the game designers' fault. I mean, games like that get sold all over the world, but the only countries where negative incidents happen are those where the media is doing a 'wonderful' job in making violence part of every-day life. I won't go deeper into the subject.
Anyway, I won't be letting my children get their hands on a FPS game until they're old enough to drive :D . Why not the friendly, educational and sometimes brainstorming CB?

I wouldn't blame games and game developers. It has a lot to do with lousy parenting. And oftentimes, those that commit such crimes already have problems to begin with. Anyways, enough of this topic.

Back on topic: It is true that PC games are being overshadowed by console games in America. If you visit a video game store, PC games are given only one little shelf. All of the game stores around my area are like that now. And whenever I ask them about a PC game, they seldom ever bother looking it up and just say that don't have it (even though I eventually find it sitting on that puny shelf ten minutes later :rolleyes: ).

[RSchwind]

Ok, I know you wanted to get off this topic but one quickie then enough.

I spent 4 years in the United States Army and can tell you from experience that the "nutters" don't need recuitment tools. They usually have to turn them away at the door because there are so many. It's the regular, sane people they have to convince. I know this because I started out sane and came out "nutty" :D

But I have to agree about the media. I HATE it! As American living in Japan I am constantly having to apologize and explain about all the horrible atrocities that we are responsible for. (Not that there is an explianation) Unfortunatly it's only the bad things that sell on the news. The news has a saying "If it bleeds, it leads". Ugly yes but true. So here is a philisophical question....

Is society actually getting worse or is information access getting better??

Ok, off my high horse now......"down boy, down."

[Cassiopeia]

Did you hear about the events in the USA a couple of weeks ago? It was in Florida, IIRC. Two people got shot and killed for a game console.

Yes it was in Florida. In a quiet suburban town about 10 miles from where I live. There were six people and a dog killed. They were beaten to death with baseball bats. And it was a lot more gruesome than that implies. Part of the reason was a dispute over an X-box, but there was more to it than that. Four people have been arrested. Three 18 year olds who were convinced to participate by an older (27) man, with a past history of violence, including a jail term for attempted murder.

Sorry, Azeem, still off-topic, but this hit close to home. As to whether the defense will try to use video game violence as a mitigating factor, only time will tell.

Cass

[Traxia]

I still don't understand why America continues to keep it's right to bear arms...

With all the kids that get injured by guns even by accident.

England is starting to get worse with the guns but I hope and pray we never become as bad as the states.

And I bet this belief is just because like everywhere there are idiots and in fact most Americans are responsible with their firearms and it's a necessity against those gun toting idiots.

I do believe the world is going to hell in a halfpint. That although media is better now a days at reporting, the fact that we still haven't done anything about Sudan, Zimbabwe, Israel and to some extent America is still very depressing. We STILL have an ozone problem, we STILL have maniacs in charge of WMDs (and I'm in no way talking about Saddam because it's been proven he didn't) and we STILL have millions of people starving to death.

And I bet there's a few billion of us out there that would do something if we could and we can't because we don't have a government that listens to us and we don't have the money to do it for ourselves.

If every person in the Fortune 500 donated about 10% of their companies worth to sort out the world's problems, I bet a lot of the stuff going on today could be avoided.

If I ever own a big company I know what I'm going to do...

[claudio]

nice idea
but when you leeds a big company you can t do anything you want.

because of the ozon: americans need a lot of oil when you see how they lif you know why: first the distances are really big, second the cars are bigger and need a lot of gas. third every house has is airconditioned.4th you have no really recycling .
these are the mainly reasons and 3 of them could be avoided.

i have to say that i enjoy it really here
ps i saw no one carry a weapon up to now

[Little von]

People that have never been to the USA and only know about it from what they have seen from their news media have a very distorted view of things, there.

In Mexico I was asked in all seriousness by a well off, college educated person if I had ever walked outside at night in the USA what with bullets flying and gun battles raging..... http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/rolleyes1.gif

I ran into exactly the same kind of ignorance in the USA before moving to Mexico. My family and friends said their good byes like final farewells as though they "knew" it was likely they would never see me alive again because of all the: crime, corruption, drugs, violence, etc. that was caused by all of the abject poverty, there. http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage20/18.gif

RSchwind quote: "Is society actually getting worse or is information access getting better??"

I go with the latter of the two.

Yes the information these days is overwhelming. It makes you feel that the Sudan problems in Africa are problems that are happening right down the street from where you live. On the other hand, most of these close proximity problems that are actually more critical to your personal health and welfare and ARE actually just down the street from where you live are often ignored when first beginning to form because of those even BIGGER problems taking place in Africa "right now" that is occupying so much of your attention and thoughts. Meanwhile, the local baby problem continues to grow until one day it, too, is a big problem and then you say, "See! This neighborhood is going to Hades-in-a-hand-basket just like the rest of the world!" lol

[Traxia]

Hades in a hand basket I like it.

Yeah we do get a very distorted view of Americans across the pond. But I bet you get a distorted view of us too.

I watched the simpsons in england special and was shocked at the portrayal of the brits. We ain't all stuck up tarts an' boot boys y'know guv'nor.

It's cool about the chocolate though... more sugar!!! more sugar I say!!!

[angelisis]

have you seen the aussie rip off on the simo's i have said it once and i'll say it again. you yanks cannot pull of an aussie accent!
still it was funny :D

[RSchwind]

[QUOTE=Traxia]I still don't understand why America continues to keep it's right to bear arms...

Hmmm, that's a tough one. It's such an ingrained idea (like Freedom of Speech). That would be a difficult one to get past the voters. Those rights that come from our War of Independence have become almost holy like the Ten Commandments. It would be like asking you to just toss out the Queen, see my meaning?

But, I for one would like to see stricter permit laws. It's still too easy for people to obtain them.

[dreamsoftwilight]

Dont believe everything you hear and read about people getting killed with guns here in the US. It's not all true. People are more likely to be killed crossing the street by a car, or or die of some disease than they are to be killed by a gun - and Im not saying it doesnt happen, it just doesnt happen as often as the anti-gun people would like you to think.

Gun accidents, when they do happen, were the result of someone who was too stupid to own a gun in the first place. I grew up here in Michigan, which is about half and half when it comes to industrialization and farming. My grandparents both owned guns, 357, 20 and 12 ga shotguns, as well as a 410, and a couple other handguns, and not one of us grandkids EVER got hurt by the guns setting unsecured in their closet. Why? Because we were taught that we werent allowed to handle the guns untill we were old enough and were showed how to handle them. The same went for the fishing tackle which was slightly more dangerous than the unloaded guns in the closet. heh.

But anyway, how is the animal population going in australia without hunting? Arent all the dingos and kangaroos over-populating? I know kangaroos are like giant rats when it comes to breeding...

note, this whole post isnt meant to be flame-inciting. :)

[RSchwind]

I think everyone here is intelligent enough not to get violently offended by our discussions. I like hearing all the viewpoints from around the world. It just makes me sad that the US has got such a "bad guy" image now. As a country we seem to putting our big feet in all the wrong places. *sigh* But she's my country and I love her just the same *waves little flag*

[vovan]

I still don't understand why America continues to keep it's right to bear arms...

Hmmm?

:D

[Azeem]

I hate guns so I keep a sword instead. :D

[Cironir]

Is society actually getting worse or is information access getting better??

I believe it is the latter. Humankind, as a whole, does not seem to mature significantly, but you are more likely to hear about abuse and misuse of power and privileges than people were a hundred years ago.

As for the whole guns topic: It's a cultural thing. Over here, in Germany, it is completely esoteric to imagine that people would or could carry guns. It is unthinkable, and our crime rate is lower than in the US. But it's too easy to say that guns automatically mean violence, because people in Canada can carry guns, and their crime rate is significantly lower than the one of the United States. Michael Moore believes that the reason for the "gun abuse" in the US is related to the "fear factor". Americans seem more exposed to preaching of "fear" than, say, Canadians. Fact is, though, that guns don't necessarily mean a lower crime rate or more security.

It's hard, even impossible, for me to make an educated guess, though. All of my American friends do not have guns. Well, no, I have an elderly friend in Texas who is very attached to her pumpgun. We had numerous arguments about this, but she (over sixty now) views the gun as her guarantee for freedom and independence. I can't relate, because I don't need a gun to feel that I am free and independent, but I can certainly accept that people have different views.

[RSchwind]

Yes, swords, much more personal that way.

But I admit, I own a handgun. :o
Of course I don't have it while I live in Japan (very safe here). And I have found that my BIG Bullmastiff keeps any potential danger away (including salesmen!) :D

[dreamsoftwilight]

It's hard, even impossible, for me to make an educated guess, though. All of my American friends do not have guns. Well, no, I have an elderly friend in Texas who is very attached to her pumpgun. We had numerous arguments about this, but she (over sixty now) views the gun as her guarantee for freedom and independence. I can't relate, because I don't need a gun to feel that I am free and independent, but I can certainly accept that people have different views.

You friend lives in Texas, to those of us in the US, that's pretty explanatory when it comes to her attitude about guns. It's kinda hard to explain, but culture wise, Texas seems to be it's own country.

and...

Germany is a tiny country compared to the US, so comparing your crime rate to ours isn't that valid. Canada isn't as populated as the US is either (as far as I know), so of course they aren't going to have a huge crime rate. Im not sure what the actual crime rate is in the US, since the news media likes to blow things out of proportion for ratings, or only report on the non-conservative side of the issues.

[Azeem]

Can we get back on topic now? I fear we are straying into another senseless political discussion if we shall continue this.

[Cironir]

True, it's hard to compare countries, and especially their unique cultures. History, especially, is hard to compare. We have under one hundred millions of citizens here, and if memory serves right, the U.S. have have about five times that number. We also never had to defend our freedom, so possessing guns is absolutely unthinkable. It's hard to explain, really, and I know that guns in the U.S. often stand for self-protection and gurantee for freedom, while over here, Germany and Euope in general, they stand for the opposite: cruelty and oppression.

Being European myself, I of course believe that guns only worsen conflicts (it's harder to murder somone without a gun if you are very angry), but at the same time I realise that matters are not quite as easy. Americans aren't paranoid morbids, and portryimg thwm as such simply misses the point.

[dreamsoftwilight]

Didnt Germany get demilitarized after WW2? That seems like a likely reason why people there now days dont feel a need for weapons, or view guns as evil.

Anyway, Ill get back on topic... :)

[Cassiopeia]

We have under one hundred millions of citizens here, and if memory serves right, the U.S. have have about five times that number.

There aren't quite that many of us, even though it may seem so at times. I think the official number was somewhere around 260 million at the last census.

It's hard to explain, really, and I know that guns in the U.S. often stand for self-protection and gurantee for freedom, while over here, Germany and Euope in general, they stand for the opposite: cruelty and oppression.

The right to bear arms is guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution, which says in full -- "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." It's a direct result of the American Revolutionary War. The founding fathers, with a small standing army, and no money to provide for a larger one, forsaw the need for a citizen army (think "rabble") to protect their new-won freedom.

The Constitution was deliberately written to be very difficult to amend. There have only been 27 amendments in over 200 years, and 10 of those were made right away. The current fight over guns has nothing to do with a militia and everything to do with the concern that controlling gun possession is an erosion of Constitutional rights without due process. And once that erosion has started, where does it stop?

[Traxia]

Those rights that come from our War of Independence have become almost holy like the Ten Commandments.

Commandment 5: Thou shalt not Kill (6 if you are protestant)

It would be like asking you to just toss out the Queen, see my meaning?

Last time I checked, the Queen wasn't an offensive weapon. Prince Phillip maybe but not the queen. :) But I see what you are saying, it's ingrained. It's a pity.


The current fight over guns has nothing to do with a militia and everything to do with the concern that controlling gun possession is an erosion of Constitutional rights without due process. And once that erosion has started, where does it stop?

I may have missed the point but guns kill people. Well truth be told, IDIOTS with guns kill people. Stopping those idiots would be a good thing. If it was written into the constitution to throw a virgin off the grand canyon every second tuesday in the month, would you keep that? We update the laws to keep up to date with current times. Last time I checked America has put all the Indians in reserves and you are no longer living in the wild west...

I'm sorry if I've offended anyone with this but when a person goes into a school and kills a dozen or so fairly blameless people and still the laws say his parents can have a gun. I think the law is wrong.

Edit: Oh and my fiance recommends you read the lyrics of Queen's Put out the Fire, supprisingly NOT a big hit in America...

Edit (again) We do have gun laws in England but they are highly regulated. Self defence is not a valid reason in this country. Although you can defend your home with a weapon if you give fair warning. And the reason that Tony Martins got sent down was because he gave no warning...

[RSchwind]

I'm not so sure about that, Queen Eliz looks like she can kick some booty when she needs too. :D

[dreamsoftwilight]

I had a comment about qouting thou shall not kill but I decided against it. lol

Thats actually a common, but misguided attemtpt to make guns sound evil. Guns dont kill people. It's the people holding the guns (as inane as that sounds). Getting rid of the guns isnt going to make your world any safer, nor is it going to take the guns out of the hands of those who REALLY want them, such as the mafia, criminals, and other outlaws. It's pretty nieve to think that it will.

And Indians werent put in reservations to segregate them like they are stuck in concentration camps. They were given that land (that by rights they already owned) as tiny as it is, so they could have soverign nations of their own, its not like they are forced to live on reservations. And before you go blowing your stack at my comments, Im part Mohawk, and I dont particularly like the reservations simply because of the fact you cant have a soverign nation of your own in an area the size of rhode island, if the american government wanted to make it up, they should give us/them New Mexico or something....

Oh, and the british government is just as guilty as the americans of sticking natives in reservations, remember the british taking over hong kong, india and egypt? They didnt stick the inhabitants in reservations, but they conquered countries that werent theres...

*cough* anyway, I tried getting off this topic but you keep pulling me back!! *runs away*

lol

I got a headache now...

[RSchwind]

Me too,

Mixing Politics and Gaming gives me a tummy ache :(

Maybe we can change the subject now???

Please??? :D

[dreamsoftwilight]

Maybe if we ignore Traxia's inflamatory, anti-gun, anti-american posts everyone else will get back to the topic? (just teasing Traxia!) hehe. :D

[Traxia]

I'm not anti-american, I'm anti-everyone :) I dole out my righteousness against everyone equally and fairly and without predjudice. I'm a christian and you REALLY don't want to hear my views on christianity because everything else will sound like a grovelling compliment :D

I know the English Government is just as dumb if not dumber and I'd love to give Tony Blair the hiding he deserves.

People in power shouldn't be in power and if we didn't have them in power it would be anarchy.

Argh I'm to short for this!

Does anyone actually know what the topic of this thread was about before I started my political ramblings?

One last thing, we gave them back sovereignty when they got themselves on their feet. By an large we were a good influence on our Empire, small as it was. We had our bad points and our good points. We helped develop their countries but the important thing is... WE gave them back.

[NeilV]

Does anyone actually know what the topic of this thread was about before I started my political ramblings?


:D something about stupid gameshop worker's not knowing about real games (not Console or FPS) :D

And talking about swords In the UK you are still alowed to carry them but then you must pratice with it on every sixth day (Sat) and everyone must pratice with a bow once a week(but only on common ground). :D arnt old laws great :eek:

[Traxia]

Hmm that's interesting cos I know you can possess swords but I didn't think you could carry them. Always a problem when trying to get the sword home...

Edit: I'm also quite good with a bow and I mean a proper short bow, not those cissy ones with stabelisers and sights... I remember on an archery day I was having a go with a bow and getting them majoritivly in the middle (After about 3 hours practise) and this guy swaggers up with this complex recurve bow and fires a quiver of bows into the centre target. He asks me if I was impressed and I told him that anyone could do it with balances and a sight, try doing it with THIS bow (training bow which is no more than a piece of bent wood and a string) and then I'll be impressed. He never did take me up on the offer...

[RSchwind]

All Right! That's it!

*slaps Traxia with virtual glove*

I'm challanging you to a duel. You're short bow against my full automatic M-16. I'll even let you have the first go. :D

*Much fist shaking and mumbling nasty things about the Empire*

How was that? That was my Ugly American routine. :)

[Traxia]

You'd let me have first shot? An arrow at twenty paces is very painful and I'm very accurate. :D An arrow travels 25 yards in a third of a second if you don't use hunting arrows...

But this is all silly talk.

The M16 isn't all that great anyway. I thought the P90 was the weapon of choice for you yanks. That or the M4 Carbine, a more reliable gun...

My fiance is the one who knows all about guns. Nasty horrible loud stuff...

Note how I haven't threatened anyone with a weapon... you are pandering to the image people...

[dreamsoftwilight]

Alright, you gave them back there land and stuff, but who says they are better off than they were before you Brits imposed stuff victorian morals on them? And we all know how wonderfully repressed the Victorian era was lol.
While the Americans did butcher the indians and kill them off with small pox, and stuff them in reservations (which they did now that I think of it, they just didnt force them to stay there), they didnt take all the Indians and transplant them to Australia, like the Brits did with so many thousands of Irish folk, just because the government wanted Ireland for itself. heh.Never could understand why they hated the Irish so much... stupid Henry the 8th...

Oh, and by the way, the other part of me is Scottish-Irish, and my other ancestors (who werent Indian), were not in America oppressing the native until the later part of the 1800s. They were in England busy oppressing the Irish! (Lancaster family). lol

[Rnett]

This thread should be moved to the other side of the forum since it has nothing to do with CotN. :rolleyes:

[dreamsoftwilight]

But isnt the title of this forums GENERAL discussion? ;)

[Traxia]

Well I can't see how africa could be any worse off than it is now...

I keep telling you that I don't disagree with just the Americans... and I always thought it was criminals that were deported to Australia...

Without the British, a lot of Americans wouldn't exist... If you are a white person living in America who isn't latino, chances are your ancestors are british, or at the very least were trying to escape the british. We have a lot to answer for too y'know.

But you are right... I've been very cruel to the Americans so lets pick on some English for a change.

We have a queen that doesn't do much except wave. We have a parliament that can't think for themselves. It took us 5 years to build a memorial to our most beloved of Royal Princesses, we didn't do it ourselves, it cost 3 million pounds and is a glorified drain. Oh and it's constantly closed because it's unsafe.

What else?

We blame our obesity on the Americans even though we are perfectly capable of stuffing our own faces thank you very much, our children aren't leaving school with the three Rs. Our exams are a joke and they will let anyone into Uni these days even me. Our health service is a joke. We refuse to belong to our continent and when we demonstrate in our millions against the government they display two fingers rampant.

And while we do have the best trained army in the world. And we do America, don't even start on this one... and we don't have guns in our constitution, we have the stiff upper lip and the constant need to keep hold of imperial measurements.

Oh and we can only get married in the parish we live in currently even if you are a member of a church for nearly half your life previously...

If we moved every message that wasn't completely COTN, there'd be no threads LEFT in the COTN discussion...

Please tell me if you feel I've disproportionally bashed my own country now... cos I could probably find some more stuff to complain about.

I try to be equal in my criticism. :D

[dreamsoftwilight]

I find your comments entertaining! Youre the first person Ive had such politicalish conversations with without feeling disgusted. heh.

Dont forget you guys took flouride out of your water systems (or so I heard).

That makes me wonder, what do your police force do when they are shot at by criminals, since they dont carry weapons, just a billy-club and a whistle? Blow thier whistle and order them to stop? Riiiiiight, like thats gonna work. lol Seriously, if our cops werent allowed to carry weapons in this country, there would probly be a whole lot more fatalities...

[Ineti]

I believe this thread should either be locked or moved to the other forum, the description of which is "For all Tilted Mill (and off-topic) related discussion that's not specific to Children of the Nile."

This one has veered quite sharply from any discussion regarding CotN and may not prove useful for someone new coming to the forums looking for information about the game we're all so excited about. :rolleyes:

[Traxia]

Well we can't move it... and I don't think we want to lock it when it's all getting interesting...

Oh we bring in our armed response units to shoot back :) But every bullet has to be accounted for and every death thoroughly investigated. They kill something like 9 times a year. It does mean we have a less violent reaction to 'cop killers'. And you'd be surprised what a trunceon is capable of. Don't forget that we have a less gun orientated culture which helps. I don't think we have whistles anymore, just body armour as standard issue for most if not all policemen. Think Robocop. Even our university security guards (who double as our first aiders) have body armour. I was ill once in an exam and they came and scared the life out of me because they were big men in big body armour...

We have hunting and lords too. There's two more reasons why Britain is a bad bad country.

There's very few things I'm completely baised over, one is animals, be it testing/shooting/cruelty I'll go all guns blazing. Another is poverty and the killing of innocent people by bullies/governments/fortune 500 companies. Selfishness I can't abide even if I am selfish myself. And vegetarians/vegans who get offended by meat eaters. I'm vegetarian which is good enough for me.

And the reason people find me so entertaining is because 1) I don't pick just one cause to go after 2) I don't pretend that my own country/religeon/gender or background is perfect 3) I have a very strange outlook on life and 4) you start bashing me and I will join in with often a better arguement...

[Azeem]

I pretty much agree with everything you've said so far, though I'm an American myself. :) With 260 million of us, it should be obvious that not all of us are going to think the same way. ;)

That being said, shall we drop this political discussion? There is a reason why this forum is called "Children of the Nile." :rolleyes:

[Traxia]

I just answer questions and posts...

I've called to get back on track but no-one seems to want to follow and I still can't remember what the post was about other than something to do with the incompetence of a gamestore clerk.

[dreamsoftwilight]

Id be more than happy to continue this thread in the "actual" general discussion forums. But until the mods come along and move the thread, why not save your breath?

[Scott7]

I'm amazed at how friendly this community is... We could never have made it this far in any other forum without insulting each other.

I've never met a vegetarian in my life, and here where I live (rural NY) almost everybody hunts and owns guns. A lot of animals, like deer, are really over populated and have negative effects on the environment, so the general feeling is that it's good that they're being hunted. Plus, they taste good.

Location can really affect one's take on things.

Wow, this is so far off-topic, I don't know what to think.

[dreamsoftwilight]

Provided for you (dis)comfort: A political thread! heheh.

Enjoy! :D

[Traxia]

Well I'm lactose intolerant so I am an eggitarian.

I really hate the veggies who boycot places cos the serve meat... and leave little placards with fish is not a vegetable written on them...

Admittedly I do think that just because fish aren't all that intelligent they get classified as vegetables is quite mean on the fish. This is a long standing joke and is what passes for humour in veggie circles. Basically the first thing you get asked generally if you are a veggie is 'do you eat fish?'. The normal response is 'Is fish a vegetable?'

The worst is when people equate taking the meat out after the dinner is cooked to being a vegetarian meal... or finding out for the first time what exactly E120 is. That'll put you off ya smarties...

My dad is dead against vegetarians but he's out of luck because both my middle sister and I are vegetarians.

As long as it's a clean shot I don't mind culling too much. As long as I don't have to do it. Suprisingly enough I'm in favour for hunting for food. If the animal dies in vain, then I get miffed. Native American way of life for instance I have nothing against.One with the land and all that. I warned you I was weird.

Again I bet if I lived in America instead of in Britain, I probably would be a meat eater... whole different way of life...

I am the queen of continuing derailment of thread. I am also surprised I haven't had a sizable bashing telling me what a stuck up no-nothing I am. Shows how mature the gamers are in this forum. I'm glad. It's nice to be able to fight both sides and down the middle on an arguement in peace :D

[Traxia]

I know someone is going to ask it so here's the answer in advance. E120 is squished insect.
Or to be more accurate:
An expensive red colouring, not suitable for vegetarians as it is extracted from the crushed carcasses of the female Dactylopius coccus, a cactus-feeding scale insect, which are killed by either immersion in hot water or by exposure to sunlight, steam, or the heat of an oven. The variety in the appearance of commercial cochineal is caused by these differing methods. It takes around 70,000 insects to make one pound of cochineal.

The water soluble form is used in alcoholic drinks with calcium carmine, the insoluble form, being used in a wider variety of products. Together with ammonium carmine they can be found in alcoholic drinks, bakery products and toppings, biscuits, desserts, drinks, icings, pie fillings, variety of cheddar cheese, sauces and sweets.

It is one of the colours that the Hyperactive Children's Support Group recommends be eliminated from the diet of children.

[vovan]

The worst is when people equate taking the meat out after the dinner is cooked to being a vegetarian meal... or finding out for the first time what exactly E120 is. That'll put you off ya smarties...

Hmmm... I don't really know much about you vegetarian lot, I can't do without meat, so... If you could maybe enlighten me as to this E120 thing? :o Can't even say I heard this... expression (?) before.

Vovan

EDIT: Bah, x-post. :o

EDIT2: Ohhh, so it's E120 as in carminic acid. IIRC, it is also used in pharmaceuticals? So then if you were prescribed a pill colored with that, would you not take it either?

[dreamsoftwilight]

*sigh* hyper active children... Id love to *****-slap the twit who thought up that whole dysfunction/disease/disorder. I believe it exists to a point, but I also believe that children are often just diagnosed because the teachers and/or parents are too lazy to discipline them. School nurses, who are underqualified to make such diagnoses seem to the main diagnosers of ADD (ADHD doesnt exist if you research it throughly enough)...

And here I am again yammering on the old thread haha. *shakes a fist at Traxia* lol

[vovan]

(ADHD doesnt exist if you research it throughly enough)

Sure it does. In adults, the ADD can get pretty bad. There is this one lady working at the dining hall at the university where I study, she has that, I think. Like if you are talking to her (as in, ordering something), and there is the slightest distraction, there is no way you are keeping her attention, and then she has no idea what's going on. Or sometimes, say, she is making salad - just simple stuff, like chopping vegetables - and there is a slight noise, she would turn around to see what's going on, and that's it. She has no idea what she was just doing. So she'd walk off to fill a juice-dispensing machine, say. And then of course, she'd never finish that either. She'd get the container and get to the machine, and then have no idea why she is there, and why she has the container in her hand.

Vovan

[NeilV]

or finding out for the first time what exactly E120 is. That'll put you off ya smarties...



but not the Blue one,s :p

[Son of Moose]

Dreamsoftwilight:

I personally think that Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is overrated. But remember that the pharmaceutical industry (makers of the widely used Ritelin) have a large stake in this matter. Its good business to promote this "disorder" as it needs to be treated with their "drugs".

Perhaps a little too cynical ... :confused:

[dreamsoftwilight]

ADD and ADHD is not the same thing. ADHD is the supposed condition where children are like that lunch lady you described AND bouncing off the wall uncontrollably. When I was little, there was no such thing as ADHD it hadnt been made up yet. I think ADD was just starting to take hold.

Children arent hyperactive, they are just children, if they arent normally bouncing off the walls then somethings wrong with them. If you want children to behave you discipline them, you dont dope them up, which is what the add drugs do is dope them up with amphetamines, which is why ritalin and those other drugs are class 2 or 3 controlled substances. 1 or 2 or 2 and 3, cant remember which... one of the classes contains all the illegal drugs like coke and methamphetamines...

Im having de ja vu... lol

[Eddy]

Does anyone else see the irony in giving kids Ritalin while forcing them to take "Just Say No to Drugs" classes?

[Traxia]

I have hyperactivity and I can honestly say that my parents diciplined me very well. I can't keep focused on someone when the TV is on, even if it's the most mundane of things. A flashing light and I lose my concentration. Entire thought processes get derailed in the space of a few seconds. It's really quite frustrating.

I know Class A drugs are illegal, B are the weird ones and C are the ones on perscriptions I think

I just cut caffeine from my diet (particularly hyperactive to that) limit my sugar intake and I'm finer. I've had it that people have had whole conversations with me where I've just been staring at a wall. It's not that I don't try to pay attention. It's that I can't.

Ahh we are teaching children the fundamental things. Everything that I say is wrong stays wrong until I say it's right and then it's only because I'm the one doing it.

[RSchwind]

Ach! I hate living on the other side of the world! By the time I get to read the posts the conversation has changed again. I miss all the good stuff *sigh*

Did we have ADD/ADHD before the doctors and media told us we did? I have to wonder sometimes if it isn't just that kids need get away from the TV/computer and go outside and play. I know when I was a kid I was so tired from playing and doing my chores that I couldn't be hyper!

[Enigmatic_Sphinx]

Seems to me that the upswell of ADD issues has more to do with busy parents who don't allow time for kids to let off energy. Somehow it has become a child's fault that they have lots of energy - and the pharmaceutical industry is capitalizing by treating it as a disorder and providing the baby-downer solution.

I know as I chase my daughter around the house there are days I'd love to slow her down so I can get work done.;)

[Janmeryet]

I think that with ADD/ADHD, there are a lot of people out there using it as an excuse for the behaviour of their kids, rather than taking responsibility for the problem themselves. Instead of taking the kid off Coke (the drink, not the drug), they doctor-shop until they find one that tells them what they want to hear - "You're a good parent! Your child just has Problem X." My sister works with special needs kids, quite a lot of whom are on things like Ritalin, and she reckons that about 90% of the kids on Ritalin don't need to be. But the 10% who are legit, really, really need to be on it.

Also
Ach! I hate living on the other side of the world! By the time I get to read the posts the conversation has changed again. I miss all the good stuff *sigh*
What he said.

[Master Builder]

lol :D

On a serious note, I think people who work at these shops are pretty much representative of the population of their age. I mean, you ask any person in thier early 20s what game they like, and more likely than not they will say FPS, so no surprise there.

Vovan
Quite True unless you find one of the people who at age 6 was playing Wing Commander and MM3 (ftwdk mm3=Might and Magic 3) And has grown up witht eh ultima series "ME" I like games that make you think.

I think that 99.99% of the people here perfer CBs for at least 1 of the three reasons below
1: You use your brain
2: Their Fun
3: Other
p.s As for the whole "weapons deal" americans own guns for different reasons.
I mean come on its the person behind the weapon that makes it a crime.
P.s.s
that adhd or add or whatever it is where childern are bouning off the walls or distracted by even the slightest noise...Its call Normal but some parents don't want Grey hairs early thus they say theri child is affected by X diease and get Z Drug to cure it and just make the kid dull.
(Please note that this comes from a person who by the other kids standard is Insane...but then again they count anyone who hasn't shot 1 deer or plays computer or 8-10 hours Insane) It goes to show What is normal for some people...is Insanity or a Diease to others.
Cure: LIVE WITH IT

[angelisis]

what in $^#$%'s name happened to my post, you people take a thread and run with it.

[RSchwind]

That's what happens when you leave your thread unsupervised. Some nasty Thread Predator will come along, offer it candy and take it away in it's big black van. :eek:

[Traxia]

*tries to hide her candy bag*

[wodinoneeye]

Well I can't see how africa could be any worse off than it is now...

I keep telling you that I don't disagree with just the Americans... and I always thought it was criminals that were deported to Australia...

Without the British, a lot of Americans wouldn't exist... If you are a white person living in America who isn't latino, chances are your ancestors are british, or at the very least were trying to escape the british. We have a lot to answer for too y'know.

. :D

That might be news to all the Germans (German was once considered for the
official language) Scandanavians, Poles etc.. who also made up the 'white' peoples who inhabit America.

[RSchwind]

And please don't forget the lovely French people who gave us the Statue of Liberty and whose descendents are partially responsible for our great Creole culture down south. :D

Have you ever had hot jambalya with ice cold sweet tea? IEEEEEE! I could just die.

[Bizkit]

Or the Italians.. Chinese.. Indians.. Russians.. Thai.. Pakistanis.. Hungarians.. Serbs.. Turks.. Romanians..
You get the idea. :p

[vovan]

And please don't forget the lovely French people who gave us the Statue of Liberty and whose descendents are partially responsible for our great Creole culture down south.

Have you ever had hot jambalya with ice cold sweet tea? IEEEEEE! I could just die.

Southern sweet tea. Oh yes, that's when they give you a cup of sugar and ask how many teaspoons of tea you would like with that, one or two?

[RSchwind]

Well I think Traxia was only referring to the white settlers of the US but I see your point. I think ole Trax likes to "stir the pot" as my father used to say.

*to Traxia*

Wasn't sure what to make of it at first but I get it now.

---Pot Stirrer :D

Makes for interesting reading!

[Ineti]

what in $^#$%'s name happened to my post, you people take a thread and run with it.

Seems the TM moderators take the weekends off. Hopefully we can get the off-topic material down to a minimum. I really don't like using the ignore feature, but I've found on other boards that it helps to cut down on the signal-to-noise ratio.

[dreamsoftwilight]

The other option is0 to just ignore it (without the ignore function), were not harming anyone, and you dont have to read this topic... I did try and get people to move to the political thread I made, but no one seems to want to go there. lol (go figure).

As for the french, Im surprised they havent tried to get the Statue back, as much as they seem to hate us... didnt they try to get all the american soldiers buried over their dug up and sent back to the us or something? Seems like I heard something like that.. *shrug*

[Traxia]

I was trying to let the Americans blame the Brits for something...

nevermind eh?

[Master Builder]

It goes to show that some people (all countries) Need to pull their heads out of their rears and start thinking before they do something (like sueing McDonalds beacause you got fat off 25 Big Macs daily) I remember when 30 min shows in american were 5 minutes of Ads and 25 of show. Now it seems to be 10 minutes of show and 20 of ads and etc.

Frankly no matter what nation you live in troubile can usually be narrowed down into one Word. "Politics"

[Traxia]

Frankly no matter what nation you live in troubile can usually be narrowed down into one Word. "Politics"

I totally agree!

I hate the see em and sue em nature of people today. MacDonalds serve unhealthy foods. Thus eating twenty a day will make you unhealthy. It's not like they advertise 'now with added vitamins' is it?

Kelloggs on the other hand has one of the highest salt contents of all food (next to salt of course) and so is actually not as healthy as it claims. You don't see heart trouble people suing them though...

[Master Builder]

Though now that you metion it Someone here with Heart trouble is probally going to sue them after downing 30-50 bowls of total.

Frankly these people who do silly stuff like that just for money need some advise from this lifeless computer nerd....Get A Life!

[vovan]

I hate the see em and sue em nature of people today.

Haha, you know, I also agree, and that reminds me of the old Eagles song, Get Over It, which went like this:


I turn on the tube and what do I see?
A whole lotta people cryin' "Don't blame me";
They point their crooked little fingers at everbody else,
Spend all their time feelin' sorry for themselves:
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma's too thin; your daddy's too fat

Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it

You say you haven't been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if they gave you some cash
The more I think about it, Old Billy was right
Let's kill all the lawyers - kill 'em tonight
You don't want to work; you want to live like a king
But the big, bad world doesn't owe you a thing

Get over it
Get over it
If you don't want to play, then you might as well quit
Get over it, get over it

It's like going to confession every time I hear you speak
You're makin' the most of your losing streak
Some call it sick, but I call it weak

You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin' everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass

Get over it
Get over it
All this *****in' and moanin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it

Get over it
Get over it
It's gotta stop sometime, so why don't you quit
Get over it, get over it



Vovan

[Master Builder]

Bravo on the Song that sums up the Feeling most people get when it comes to politics. Keep up the Good work and Beware the Red Tape

(Self made joke)
Three Scientist Died and Stand before the Angel with the Book of Life. The Angel ask the First one his name and looks though the book.
Your Not in here What did you do? The Angel Asked.
I Helped invent the Atomic Bomb. The First repiled He went down.
The Angel Repeats this with the Second one only He responded
I Helped Invent a cure for Cancer. He also goes down.
The Same is repeated with the Last Scientist.
I don't see your name in Here what did you do? Asked the angel.
He repiled I Invented a Bacteria That eats though Legalise Red tape and Politicial B***s***. The Angel Pauses for a moment pulls out a quill and Asked "What was your name again?"

[Bizkit]

Sueing someone must be as common there as mowing your front lawn. Here there's so much bureaucracy involved that you're better off forgeting about the whole thing and getting on with your life. A lawsuit involves more aches and nausea that the illness caused by the company you're sueing.

[RSchwind]

[QUOTE=Bizkit]Sueing someone must be as common there as mowing your front lawn. QUOTE]


There will be no trouble as long as you mow your lawn to the correct height, don't cross the property line and ensure that any stray clippings are promptly picked up so as not to infringe upon your neighbor's right to have a clipping free environment. :D

[RSchwind]

I was trying to let the Americans blame the Brits for something...

nevermind eh?


Ok, how about the Spice Girls?? :p

[vovan]

Ok, how about the Spice Girls?? :p

Don't even bring them up. Americans have much to more to be blamed for in the bad music made very popular department. (Though, admittedly, they also have produced some good stuff, so please don't lynch me just yet. :))

Vovan

PS: Don't you just love this fancy move from gun conrol to spice girls? :p

[RSchwind]

I think it's a logical switch.

"Lay down your arms or we'll send the Spice Girls after you!!!"

Ahh....everybody run!!!! :D

[NeilV]

I totally agree!

I hate the see em and sue em nature of people today. MacDonalds serve unhealthy foods. Thus eating twenty a day will make you unhealthy. It's not like they advertise 'now with added vitamins' is it?




:rolleyes: No but on kidds TV Now they are advertising healthy eating 5 fruit/veg a day 8 glasses of water lots of exersise etc which is a bit much from a company whose salads have more fat content than ther big Macs :eek:

[Little von]

Huh..., I don't have a TV, so I've not seen what McD's is saying these days.

I do know they are trying to change their public image.

I know a lady that is in Mexico setting up communes of farms that raise organic vegetables ONLY for McD's directly and exclusively. I assume they are using them for their salads, but maybe everything else, as well. Perhaps somebody with a b'tube could tell me if they have started advertising this yet, or maybe it is something too new. This all has been taking place in Mexico just the last year or so.

[Bizkit]

There's an McDonald's Olympiad-related commercial that's being aired daily since last week. It's probably just in Eatsern Europe. It shows a woman running for a long distance with a doggy bag in her hand, up to a cottage and delivering the bag with a GreekMac (doesn't that sound weird?) and a Mediteranean Salad to her father, I guess. She forgets the ketchup, so she has to run back.
I guess it's meant to encourage jogging and sport in general.

[Eddy]

Ok, I'm seeing anti-Spice Girls sentiment and I don't like it. The Spice Girls are the ONLY part of the 90s that I liked. Everything else about the 90s made me sad, until those five lovely young lasses gave me a reason to live. Just hearing a song of theirs cheers me up like nothing else from that vile decade can.

Spice Girls forever! Girl power!

[dreamsoftwilight]

Exactly what is a Greek Mac? Grape leaves instead of lettuce? O.o

[Bizkit]

No, it's a burger that has a kind of Greek bread instead of the bun. I ate the original thing a couple of months ago when I was in Greece (they serve it before the actual meal with sauce or a salad) and it tastes good, I wonder how the one from McD's is.

The Mediteranean salad has tomatos, onion, cucumbers, olives and sometimes a bit of goat cheese on the top.

Oh damn, now I'm hungry.

[RSchwind]

Hey that actually sounds good! I love Greek bread and that Goat cheese...ieeee!!! I think I will move to Greece now. Speaking of grease, that's just what you will get if you eat anything from McD's in the states. I used to like to eat there on occasion but I read this book called NaFast Food Nation. It goes into great detail about McD's and fast food in general. Now I can't eat there anymore. And it's not just the food but also thier business practices which are like any big company and I can dig that. But they portray themselves as being this wholesome family place that cares about kids. After I read that book I was convinced that Ronald McDonald is actually Satan. :D Either that or Walt Disney.


Back to the Spice Girls...All I can say is I whenever I hear them I wish to be struck deaf. They are the female counterpart to those horrid manufactured Boy Bands that are breeding like flies in the US. But of course that's just what I think. :D If I have offended any Spice Girls OR Boy Band fans I am truly sorry. (but I still think, Ewwwww)

[Traxia]

Ok, I'm seeing anti-Spice Girls sentiment and I don't like it. The Spice Girls are the ONLY part of the 90s that I liked. Everything else about the 90s made me sad, until those five lovely young lasses gave me a reason to live. Just hearing a song of theirs cheers me up like nothing else from that vile decade can.

Spice Girls forever! Girl power!

You must have been 11 when the Spice Girls hit... That's the only excuse I can think of as to why you would think their catawalling was any good. Even I can sing better than those girls and I am tone deaf...

[Son of Moose]

Ah ... But are you as pretty as a SpiceGirl? After all, vocal talent has nothing to do with it ...

[If you look as great as your Avatar, you are possibly even prettier than the SpiceGirls --- not that I thought they were particularly attractive. :p ]

[Traxia]

Well I've attracted a man with brains as well as beauty so I've done one better than Victoria...

[Son of Moose]

Indeed ... poor Becks doesn't seem to have a mind of his own. :(

[Apparently, a few years ago when he was required to fill out his occupation on his passport application he couldn't spell either PROFESSIONAL or FOOTBALLER correctly :p]!!

[Traxia]

I have trouble spelling professional... tend to put an extra f in it...

[Son of Moose]

But FOOTBALLER ... ? :p

[Traxia]

I do admit I am usually capable of spelling footballer... :D

Come to think of it I got two up on Victoria... Becks and his haircuts....

[Master Builder]

Sometimes after I just wake up or am extra braindead (Everyone has moments like that) I put extra letters where they don't belong once I spelt football; Foootballl. Needless to say I changed that after my tea.

[Son of Moose]

Traxia:

Come to think of it I got two up on Victoria... Becks and his haircuts....

Why didn't he just keep it long? Imho, the ultra-short cut (while extremely hygienic) really does not suit him. Looks too much like a skinhead ... :p

And those tatoos ... maybe make that three?

[dreamsoftwilight]

The Spice girls arent all that great, they had pretty voices (some of them), and one or two were pretty, but as a whole they sucked.

As for spelling, how many americans still use the british spellings for colour and harbour and the like? heh :p

[RSchwind]

Only the ones who can't spell correctly. :D

Just kidding. Actually I know one person who does. But she lives in Wales for half of the year so that would explain it. She's also picking up a crazy accent too. ;)

[Eddy]

I actually do use some spellings from the Queen's English without even thinking about it. Words like colour especially.

I also use one distinction. The theatre involves live actors and a stage. The theater is the place with a big screen and popcorn.

[Eddy]

Blasphemy!

Actually I'm a child of the 80s and was born in 1972. Anyway, my favorite musical style is "bubblegum" pop because I want to listen to music that is happy and cheerful. Spare me your Nirvana I'm miserable and want to die grunge bilge. I think part of the reason I liked the Spice Girls was because after five years of some of the worst music ever (1993-1998), there was finally something, anything that was happy danceable singable music. They are the only good thing that came out of the 90s. Everything else about the 90s was awful.

You must have been 11 when the Spice Girls hit... That's the only excuse I can think of as to why you would think their catawalling was any good. Even I can sing better than those girls and I am tone deaf...

[Traxia]

Now who's blaspheming!

Nirvana was good. Killed off Guns and Roses but they were still good... They really spoke to those of us who had to put up with the 'popular' crowd being sworn enemies because they all think like sheep without the fluffy niceties...

I learnt from a young age just how cruel kids are and Nirvana made it all make sense.

Spice Girls 'If You Wanna Be My Lover' is just lies. How many of you are truely still friends with people you knew from School? And I mean down the pub every weekend or round each others houses...

[RSchwind]

I think part of the reason I liked the Spice Girls was because after five years of some of the worst music ever (1993-1998), there was finally something, anything that was happy danceable singable music. They are the only good thing that came out of the 90s. Everything else about the 90s was awful.[/QUOTE]


WHAT!!!! Did you live in a cave?

Red Hot Chili Peppers
Hootie and the Blowfish
Savage Garden
Lenny Kravitz
Smash Mouth
U2-----The 90's stuff was better
Matchbox 20
REM
RadioHead
Bjork
Beck
The Chemical Brothers.

And that's just a sample. I have more!!!! :eek:

[Traxia]

Go RSchwind Go RSchwind Go Go Go RSchwind!!!

I have no IDEA how you pronounce that...

[RSchwind]

R. for my first name Regina
Schwind----like the bicycle but with a "d" on the end

[imhotep3147]

As for spelling, how many americans still use the british spellings for colour and harbour and the like? heh :p


You know it's always been my pet peeve that I use the British spellings of some words. I didn't do this until after college though.....I think it's because most of the Archaeology textbooks and reading material came out of England. Darn you British spellings!!! Odd thing is for some reason I have always spelled the word "flavour" that way since I could write..... *ponders that thought* :D

[Eddy]

WHAT!!!! Did you live in a cave?

Red Hot Chili Peppers - I liked Rollercoaster of Love in the Beavis and Butthead movie.
Hootie and the Blowfish - Heard of the name.
Savage Garden - I think they had a song I liked once.
Lenny Kravitz - From the 70s.
Smash Mouth - Hated them! I'd like to smash them in the mouth.
U2-----The 90's stuff was better - 80s band!
Matchbox 20 - Never heard of.
REM - Never heard of.
RadioHead - Never heard of.
Bjork - That's the weird Asian chick from Iceland right?
Beck - Never heard of.
The Chemical Brothers. - Never heard of.



And that's just a sample. I have more!!!! :eek:

Eek indeed.

[Traxia]

You were walled up in the 90s...

There is no other explination.... I bet you liked Britney Spears as well...

Chart Topper of 1992-1993 - The Crying Game - Boy George
Chart Topper of 1993-1994 - The Streets Of Philadelphia -
Bruce Springsteen
Chart Topper of 1994-1995 - Take A Bow - Madonna
Chart Topper of 1995-1996 - Because You Loved Me - Celine Dion
Chart Topper of 1996-1997 - You Were Meant For Me - Jewel
Chart Topper of 1997-1998 - My Heart Will Go On - Celine Dion
Chart Topper of 1998-1999 - Believe - Cher

REM Man on the moon. Does this mean anything to you...

You poor deprived child. Go out and buy Californication. It's 99 but it's a GREAT RHCP album.

[RSchwind]

All I'm saying is that the 90's did produce some good music that wasn't angst ridden "I hate everything" style. That was mostly confined to the Seattle area anyway. Personally I could never get into Nirvana. I always thought they were just a bunch of whiners and believe me I had ANGST!!! :D

[Eddy]

I kind of like Britney's older music, but not the stuff where she pretended to be a bad girl.

As for Celine Screechon, I shoot the radio when her caterwauling (there's a word that should be used more often) is on.

[RSchwind]

I could do without Celine but she does have some talent. I'm not sure how I feel about Britney. Her career reminds a little of Madonna's Which would explain the kiss on the awards show, sort of a passing the torch kind of thing. Early Madonna was a bit fluffy but then she was just a kid. I didn't like early Britney either. Maybe she will evolve and develop like Madonna. Although I don't think Britney will ever have the same edge. But who knows maybe Madonna will give her the wisdom that she never got.

[dsmith]

All I'm saying is that the 90's did produce some good music that wasn't angst ridden "I hate everything" style. That was mostly confined to the Seattle area anyway. Personally I could never get into Nirvana. I always thought they were just a bunch of whiners and believe me I had ANGST!!! :D

Boy this thread is degenerating fast, but when it comes to music I have to give my 2 cents worth.

I actually loved the "angry" music of the early 90's - mid 90's (and I didn't like much else of the 90's).

I actually don't like the music of my generation (mid 80's) a whole lot. There are some things I still enjoy U-2, REM, etc. But I really like the emotion and rawness of the so-called angry music. I loved punk when it came out, because it was so "full" compared to the popular (disco) music of the time. Or how about Led Zeppelin in the early days. Was there anyone as sloppy as Jimmy Page on guitar? But it was full of passion and emotion and it spoke to you.

The same with the early Smashing Punkins. To me they were one of the best bands to come from the whole grunge scene. There early stuff is so raw, I still listen to it and am amazed. (and I'm 35).

I am anti-pop music. I need a band. Not just a singer (or 5 singers). I need energy. I need original music. For all the negative about grunge it was original when the music industry had grown stale.

[RSchwind]

Absolutly it was original but I just couldn't get into it. I think I must have born in the wrong decade. I was in high school in the 80's and hated all the music! I much preferred Janis Joplin and The Doors.

Actually I can't think of anything I liked about the 80's. I hated the clothes too. I look back on it and laugh now. Especially the Video Games. Boy have we come a long way from Pac Man. :D

[dsmith]

I much preferred Janis Joplin and The Doors.


Now the Doors is something we can definitely agree on. I play with a band (actually I sing) every once in a while. We always do Doors tunes. I really enjoy Jim Morrison (plus he has a lower vocal range that I can hit without hurting myself :) ).

[Eddy]

If this a slam against the best band ever, the Spice Girls, then you sir, are the luckiest man on Earth.

You see, normally I order my ninja agents to kill people with such thoughts, but because I had to enact Code Red (see Tom Ridge and his bogus Terror Alert levels), the ninjas are watching the FedEx depot. You see...I am a beta tester. That means that no matter how much you deserve a smackdown for insulting the Spice Girls, I have more important matters to attend to. You have just had the closest brush with death since that time you used an electric toothbrush while blow drying your hair in the shower.

I am anti-pop music. I need a band. Not just a singer (or 5 singers).

[vovan]

You see...I am a beta tester. That means that no matter how much you deserve a smackdown for insulting the Spice Girls, I have more important matters to attend to.

Wait a sec, isn't that what the ninja's are for? So they can do the dirty work while you attend to other matters? :p

Vovan

[Eddy]

The ninjas have a dual fold purpose.

1. Make sure the Beta CD arrives intact with no non-Beta testers attached.

2. Make sure no one bothers me while playing the CD.

Obviously you can see why they can't deal with mortal concerns like the Spice Girls, even if the are the best Girl Band Group ever!

[vovan]

1. Make sure the Beta CD arrives intact with no non-Beta testers attached.
2. Make sure no one bothers me while playing the CD.

Ah, you should just relax, give some of those ninjas a well-deserved vacation... No one is going to bother you... :)

* Vovan tries hard to suppress the evil notes in his tone of voice and is generally satisfied with his performance. *

Vovan

[dsmith]

If this a slam against the best band ever, the Spice Girls, then you sir, are the luckiest man on Earth.


hehe. I was thinking of the backstreet boys actually, but I guess we could apply it to the spice girls as well :D

And I do consider myself pretty lucky as of late as I will be beta-testing a new game CB game that is coming out in November. I'd tell you more but it is all pretty hush-hush. ;)

PS - Best girl band ever? 10,000 maniacs (Natalie Merchant)

[imhotep3147]

*clears throat and tries to inflect the proper amount of lightheartedness in post*

For the love of Anubis people!! Everyone has different tastes in music and no one will agree 100% on anything. I can gaurantee that there are many bands I like that alot of people hate. Just like I dislike many, many bands that other people like. It's called opinions fellas. While most of the posts haven't gone overboard yet I beg of you to tone down the discussion before it gets ugly. * gets on knees and pleads for the mercy of the forum* :D
And just for laughs: For all those who think the Spice Girls were the worst band ever (and believe me I tend to be one of them), you have never heard the sheer disaster of a drunken lout with a permanently flat voice sing "copa cabana" in a straw hat on stage while chucking grapes at the riotous (is that even a word?) audience. That my friends is quite possible the worst excuse of singing I've ever heard. :p
BTW: I worked for two years as a bartender and had to suffer through 104 nights of Karaoke.........."my ears! my ears! someone give me an icepick! :eek:

[Traxia]

Yeah but the Spice Girls... they were awful. I can't see how anyone over the age of 12 can't see this...

[NeilV]

My youngest Daughter (4.5) Loves the spice girls music but she is slowly moving over to High 5 at the moment my self I used to be really in to House and the early rave music but before it got to trendy (and the raves got Legal) now I listen to soft rock and classical (boy I must be getting old) :eek:

[RSchwind]

That my friends is quite possible the worst excuse of singing I've ever heard. :p

Try listening to a Japanese band sing Country music. Or anything for that matter. :eek:

[Kokopelli]

Wow... where to begin to address this "colorful" topic...

Addressing the OT

I guess based on the information, it is safe to say that if I was to go forward with my business plan of opening a store catered only to PC gamers, that I would have a nice customer base. Provided of course y'all lived in NE Florida. :D

As I get older, I RTS titles (including CBs) appeal to me more than FPS titles. The main reason is that RTS titles offer new features opposed to the usual b.s. repackaged in a new box ala-FPS. I am probably one of the few people that though Far Cry and Doom3 sucked a toad's rear.


Politics/Religion

Being a Methodist, I tend to follow John Wesley's quote, "Though we cannot think alike, may we not love alike?"

Normally I do not post the lyrics to a song, but the lyrics to this song are rather fitting to my beliefs regarding the lawsuits, idiots, fools in Government, etc.

Artist/Band: Montgomery Gentry
Lyrics for Song: You Do Your Thing
Lyrics for Album: You Do Your Thing

Put me on a mountain, way back in the back woods
Put me on a lake with pickin on the line
Put me 'round a campfire cookin' something I just cleaned
You do your thing, I'll do mine

I ain't tradin' in my family's safety
Just to save a little gas
And I'll pray to God any place, any time
And you can bet I'll pick up the phone if Uncle Sam calls me up
You do your thing, I'll do mine

Hey, I'll worry about me
You just worry about you
And I'll believe what I believe
And you believe what you believe too

I ain't gonna spare the rod
Cuz that ain't what my daddy did
And I sure know the difference between wrong and right
You know, to me it's all just common sense
A broken rule, a consequence
You do your thing, I'll do mine

Hey, I'll worry about me
You just worry about you
And I'll believe what I believe
And you believe what you believe too

I'm gonna keep on working hard
Make my money the old-fashioned way
I don't wanna piece of someone else's pie
If I don't get my fill on life I ain't gonna blame no one but me
You do your thing, I'll do mine

You ain't gonna be my judge
Cuz my judge will judge us all one day
You do your thing, I'll do mine


Music

I will admit it - I am probably the only gamer that listens to Country Western... ok, bring on the flames. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/14/14_6_1.gif

[Cironir]

Kokopelli, I responded to your message in a new thread, in the Off-Topic section. :) Go here (http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8056#post8056) for the follow-up.