Enough is enough!!!!!!!!!!

[Hanarky]

Enough is enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I visit this forum almost daily from its very start and I notice, that in last few weeks it has become almost unbearable to read certain threads here or having fun to post anything or even to come here.

This forum started out to be a fun place for everyone, all I can see now are people (SoM) trying to enforce their points of view on other forumers, trying to manipulate forumers and developers alike, threatening other forumers for having another opionion as a certain forumer, that can't take critics and spamming every single thread with useless commentary posts in favor of post count.

We "the loyal", the "long being here" forumers, the "elite", we are not "WE" (nice manipulatory touch to convert new forumers to a single forumers ideas"), get it. It are single opinions, likes and love for a game, that hopefully will apeal to many different people, that are not a WE but individual people.

Now you start a cencorship campaign to keep out the "troublemakers", the "non-intellectual", the "attention-seeking youngsters", those that want to design maps out of fun for the game and contribute, but do not belong to this "elite".

I am really disgusted here and it's time to move on to another site. And I wonder, how many long-time forumers felt the same and are not here anymore so often. I for myself notice, that it is only a handful posting here anymore at all, disguised in a huge amount of useful as well useless posts.

SoM, you want your closed, closed-minded "Elite" forum, you get it, I am out of here. Happy spamming.

Hanarky

PS The double-quoted words are not mine, but taken from several posts of other forumers. Think over it, how you destroy a once very friendly for everyone open forum.

[Son of Moose]

Forget previous post --- it was somewhat harsh and ott (over the top). :)

This is a good example of regulation and self-monitoring. :o

Anyway, I don't think that I am promoting a sense of elitism am I? If so, is a wish to maintain some degree of quality and friendliness in the forum necessarily that bad? Is it that bad promoting ones ideas on the forum --- imho this is one of the primary functions of a forum. (At least some people tend to agree with some of my ideas --- albeit that some of them are perhaps clearly a bit overambitious). :)

P.S. I really liked your prize-winning Stronghold castle and would really have liked to see what you could have done with CotN. :o

[googoo]

I'm utterly confused........... I thought no one was here because the game has not been released, there isn't a demo, and the fact that not to many people play cb games. Shame on you SoM!

[Son of Moose]

GooGoo:

Did you see my first post? :o

[googoo]

I guess were supposed to sit around here like lifeless drones, and pontificate on when the games is going to be released.

[tobing]

Yes, SoM, it was a little harsh (had to use an online dictionary :D ) but I think the real ciritcs here (which could be more constructive btw) is that an observer of this forum will undoubtedly get the impression that especially you, my friend, but also maybe some others, have something to say to almost every posting in almost every thread. And this kind of behaviour could be annoying and offensive to others, most of which would just prefer to stay away without comment.

The censorship campaign is an example of a discussion about something what didn't happen yet, and maybe will not happen at all, namely lots of people posting complaints of a new game. Let me say that there are even some beta testers who complained, but the community adjusts itself quite well. I have seen such offending behaviours in another forum (official Thief III), but even there the community regulated itself, no censorship needed. So much of this talking here is about unlaid eggs, and I would recommend to NOT discuss it, but just wait and see what happens! The devs at TM and the Mods around here are mature enough people to cope with any upcoming problems.

So a forum shall be a friendly place where anybody can say things and should stick to the relevant themes, but be also free to discuss much anything he wants (within the forum limits of course). And others should quietly listen to things said and only answer if they have something important to comment, because otherwise they are regarded as spammers, or people who know everything better, things like that. And that is offending behaviour against the more quiet people around here... hope you get me right, I don't want to offend anybody, but help to make sure that this place remains the friendly place it was!

[googoo]

DOn't bring up the ridiulous thief 3 forums!! All they did was b**** (yes i'm mad!! :mad: ) about how there was no rope arrows, he couldn't swim, sundry a bunch of other bs! Never have been around such a group of narrow minded people!

[googoo]

Nothing mentioned has ever ,imo, been offending or ridiculing of others post.

[tobing]

Nothing mentioned has ever ,imo, been offending or ridiculing of others post.
That's true. But I'm thinking of the habit to comment on almost every post, which is also offending people, not the direct way but more indirect. I have some personal experience with this kind of behaviour, but don't want to discuss it in detail here.

And you are right about the Thief III forums, I gave it only as an instructive example.

[Son of Moose]

Tobing:

but also maybe some others, have something to say to almost every posting in almost every thread.

Well --- perhaps I do. :p

However, I sincerely promise to drastically curtail my posting activities once I reach the figure of 1000 posts. :o I am just really interested to see what happens then. ;)

After all, I do have a life you know ... :p

[googoo]

But what do they expect Tobing, its forum, they will get replies.

[tobing]

However, I sincerely promise to drastically curtail my posting activities once I reach the figure of 1000 posts. :o I am just really interested to see what happens then. ;)
To be honest, THAT is just childish.

After all, I do have a life you know ... :p
You have!?! :eek:

If you are for tons of posts, just open a thread and post all day... :D ... maybe you can keep up with Keith eventually.

[tobing]

But what do they expect Tobing, its forum, they will get replies.
Depends on the quality of the replies. I can add some comment to much anything said, but what for? It's only sometimes that I have to say something which could bring the discussion further or to the point.

[Son of Moose]

Tobing:

Maybe I am very target driven --- it has worked pretty well for me so far!! :p

Btw: I have nearly caught him!! :D

[googoo]

If I notice something that seems to require a comment, I will apply one without hesitation. If someone decides to post something on a forum they should expect a comment,.I find it rude when someone gets angry because someone decides to contradict or slightly question their post. Its forum what do you expect!?

I'm still puzzled over the initial post. Who said anything about censoring mod makers? No one professed anything even resembling advanced knowledge or elitism.

[tobing]

I think this thread started it: http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3795

[Ineti]

Tobing:
However, I sincerely promise to drastically curtail my posting activities once I reach the figure of 1000 posts. :o I am just really interested to see what happens then. ;)

As an aside, if you really are dedicated to having a forum that has some degree of quality and is self-policed, consider leading by example and not focus on post counts. :)

We'll have a lot of new people coming to the forums in the next few months, and the signal to noise ratio will only increase, I believe. If enough of us are dedicated to this being a good forum, largely free of moderators who have to step in every other post, we should all be able to have a lot of fun and maintain the intelligent discussions we've had in the past and are having now. :)

[Hanarky]

I think, nobody but tobing gets, what I tried to say. Post as much as you want, if it is fun to you. And to get comments, well, that is like forums work. Why else post here. All I tried to say was, that I do not like this permanent manipulatory chatter to try to convert other forumers to one forumer's ideas. And yes about an elitism, that is tried to be etablished here. Don't you think, it detracts new forumers from coming here, when reading threads about censorship, controlled modding areas and the like?

As for a friendly place here, so yes, that was my intention for my post. And should I have gotten it right, then you SoM, made another derogatory post to mine. So someone criticeses you and you show your true face for the second time. That's what it is all about. Hypocricy. How many derogatory post have you made all the time you are here and running the developers, the game itself and other forumers down. I felt, it is time, someone needs to tell you that.

I am not a diplomat at speech and I sadly swallow things too long and burst then. I hope, my post was not too offending.

Hanarky

PS. Leave my SH castle out of this discussion, this is not the point here and yes, I plan on making maps for CotN, just for the fun of it, not to prove something.

[googoo]

What the hell! All the comments he made were ideas to others comments. From the sound of it you would think he was coercing others into doing his bidding.

[Son of Moose]

Hanarky:

then you SoM, made another derogatory post to mine. So someone criticeses you and you show your true face for the second time. That's what it is all about. Hypocricy. How many derogatory post have you made all the time you are here and running the developers, the game itself and other forumers down. I felt, it is time, someone needs to tell you that.

I am not a diplomat at speech and I sadly swallow things too long and burst then. I hope, my post was not too offending.

A couple of parting shots:

# Certainly (as far as I can recall) virtually ALL of my most recent posts have not been derogatory in the slightest. It has never been my idea to try to insult the devs or anyone else. I wonder where you could have got that notion from? I have only tried to share some of my ideas with them in a genuine attempt to assist them in creating even better products in the future. Maybe your command of the English language is not that great.

# I think that your reply to me is exactly as you intended it to be --- you must have a lot of venom inside of you!! However, I will not bother to reply in type --- it is above my dignity to do so. Let my friends (if they so wish) reply on my behalf.

# Btw: I really hate hypocracy --- and I will indeed look inwards. Perhaps you should do as well.

I have really enjoyed sharing my thoughts with you all --- now it is up to the devs and anyone else to do with them as they please. :D

[Son of Moose]

GooGoo:

One last word for you --- yes, I think that Hanarki totally overestimates my powers of persuasion!! :p

[NanaBanana]

WOW! After reading all that, TM might as well rename this forum, the playpen.

If some people don't like SoM's posting to nearly every post, then I say THEY have the problem. So what if SoM wants to hit 1000 or 1M posts! :)

TM has a forum specifically for whatever, called The Outside World. That is where such as this should be posted.

Googoo, pontificating about when the game will be released? I'm not sure even TM knows when that will be. If they did, it would be posted. :D

Hanarky's flaming of SoM was inappropriate and uncalled for, a case of enough is too much.

If we are to have decent forums, then everyone needs to realize that we are all individuals with free will and our own opinions. I remember an instance where a fellow gamer flamed me because his opinion/game experience differed from mine. That didn't make either of us wrong, except his brutal assault on my post.

And, one last point, I love to post on the forums... and after the game comes out... you might see ME posting to nearly every post. :D

[Bugsy]

I'm going out on a limb here, but I don't agree at all with people not replying as much as they want to. It shouldn't offend anyone that someone replies to each topic, what do we post topics for if not for input and discussion from other people on the forum? How can we have discussions if everyone is sitting quietly trying desperately not to offend someone by posting too much?

If I want to reply to every topic or several posts within a topic when I have time, I will. Honestly, if that offends someone, that is THEIR problem, not mine. I come here to read other's opinions and thoughts, and share my own. If someone does not want to read my posts, they can add me to their ignore list and never see another response of mine again.

No one is being childish in watching what happens when they reach 1000 posts, or any number of posts. Ranks are a very nice and fun added feature TM put there to be enjoyed, which SoM is doing, along with many others.

I am honestly tired of one thing, and one thing only. Feeling like I am walking on eggshells to keep from offending people by posting too much, not posting enough, getting a little off topic in a topical area and having harsh words from sticklers on that too.

There is negativity on these boards, but it is not stemming from SoM trying to convert people to his evil plots. :rolleyes:

We are all here for one reason. Because we are interested in this company, and the game they are about to release. If we see posts or people that just get on our nerves, well, TM has already thought of that, and given us an Ignore List.

For those who do not know where the Ignore List is located, Click on UserCP, then click on Buddy/Ignore List down the left side of the window. Then add the names, and Update your Ignore list, it will then leave their posts out of any thread.

A thread like this personally attacking one member by another who hasn't posted at all in well over a month is just ridiculous. Hanarky, you have contributed some very thoughtful posts, many of which I have agreed with. Sure, you don't post much. That's your right. SoM posts a lot. That's his.

If people want to discuss the What Ifs of a super busy forum right after release, they can, in the right topical area. If you don't want to read it, you don't have to.

On a final note, there doesn't need to be any name calling here. No one here is a hypocrite, childish, boorish, overbearing, or whatever else has been said. All anyone is doing, is offering their thoughts, and conversation. The forums are all about conversation. The REASON we have a good community here, we have conversation about non-topical as well as topical. You run out of topical things in so many months of posting before release, and go off topic sometimes. So what.

No one here should be trying to tell anyone else how they should be posting, or how much. Period. It's an individual choice based on their own time, and what they have to say. This old, "don't post unless you have something worthwhile to contribute" crap is just that. Crap. Everything I contribute is worthwhile to me, or I wouldn't be saying it.

What is worthwhile to me, may not be to someone else, that is a matter of taste and personal opinion. If someone becomes annoyed with me, by all means, add me to your ignore list. It won't hurt my feelings a bit, but don't post insults to one another. This is a public forum, open to all ages, and all posting styles. Whether it's more of a continued conversation similar to a chat, or lengthy in-depth discussion of games and concepts. It's a community.