I hope there are ships on the nile.

[Atlantean Relic]

I also hope that they are close to scale. I'd like to see a nile covered in impressive funeral barges and warships as well as little one man fishing ships.

[Jaguar]

Take a look at the Wallpapers that are posted on the site. The first one shows a portion of the Nile and it does look like there are some ships on it. It's too bad that it's cut off though.

Speaking of that wallpaper, it also shows sheep and geese (at least they look like geese to me) roaming the streets. I wonder who's supposed to look after them?

[Atlantean Relic]

The Shok the monkey of course

[Elvenwarrior2001]

There was a limited sort of boating in ancient Egypt on the nile. I believe the boats were made out of bunchs of reeds, or some such thing. I would expect to see some of those out there.

Elven

[Jayhawk]

Not to mention have the opportunity to go duck hunting....

http://www.eyrie.demon.nl/Travel/nc/images/relief-hunt.jpg
It's a bit dark, but you can see the chap on the right holding a throwing stick while standing on a boat/raft.

[Ineti]

Maybe some fishermen using spears, as well.

[EmperorJay]

I think we will see the following ships:

Trade/Transport ships, possibly of varying sizes
Warships
Ferries
Fishing boats, possibly of varying sizes
Luxury ships, for travel of princes, Pharaohs and other VIPs.

Add a little random colors and some little variations in the appearance (if possible, like an extra flag or a cat perhaps) and I think you'll have a wide variety of ships.

[Keith]

I think we will see the following ships:

Trade/Transport ships, possibly of varying sizes
Warships
Ferries
Fishing boats, possibly of varying sizes
Luxury ships, for travel of princes, Pharaohs and other VIPs.

Add a little random colors and some little variations in the appearance (if possible, like an extra flag or a cat perhaps) and I think you'll have a wide variety of ships.
I'm not sure it's historically correct, but it would be interesting to see dows transporting the large stone blocks down the Nile for pyramid construction. Unlike Pharaoh, where the ship would disgorge 12 blocks at a time, they most likely carried one block at a time on each dow.

Types of Egyptian sailing vessels:

Egyptian Papyrus Boat
http://www.grinda.navy.ru:8101/sailship/ship/img/papirus.jpg

Egyptian Merchant Ship
http://www.grinda.navy.ru:8101/sailship/ship/img/etrad.jpg

Egyptian Sea Merchant
http://www.grinda.navy.ru:8101/sailship/ship/img/emore.jpg

Egyptian Warship
http://www.grinda.navy.ru:8101/sailship/ship/img/ewar.jpg

Guess my comment about the 1 block at a time per ship was not correct. Check out this Egyptian river barge that could carry loads ranging in the hundreds of tons like Obelisks from the quarries

Large Egyptian Transportation River Barge
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timelines/topics/ships/obelisktransporter1.jpg

Model of Large River Barge Transporting Obelisks
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timelines/topics/ships/obelisktransporter.jpg

Small Egyptian Transportation River Barge
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timelines/topics/ships/nilebarge.gif

Egyptian Pleasure Boat
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timelines/topics/ships/pleasureboat.gif

Egyptian Net Fishing Boats
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timelines/topics/ships/fishingboats_and_net.jpg

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[Ineti]

I'm not sure it's historically correct, but it would be interesting to see dows transporting the large stone blocks down the Nile for pyramid construction. Unlike Pharaoh, where the ship would disgorge 12 blocks at a time, they most likely carried one block at a time on each dow.


I don't know about just one block at a time. Hatshepsut had two massive granite obelisks shipped on the same boat, if the wall inscriptions are to be believed.

Here's an interesting link on Egyptian ship building:

http://cma.soton.ac.uk/HistShip/SHLECT16.HTM#BL555

Thanks for the pics!

[Keith]

I don't know about just one block at a time. Hatshepsut had two massive granite obelisks shipped on the same boat, if the wall inscriptions are to be believed.

Here's an interesting link on Egyptian ship building:

http://cma.soton.ac.uk/HistShip/SHLECT16.HTM#BL555

Thanks for the pics!
I found more info after you posted. ;)

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[Ineti]

I found more info after you posted. ;)

Sweet. :)

Looking at those pics, it's clear it was a good thing many of the stone quarries were downstream of the major building centers. Much easier to use oars and tow boats going with the current rather than against. I can't imagine having to tow a ship loaded with obelisks against the current.

[Keith]

Perhaps one of the game goals/missions will be to mount the expidition to the land of Punt as did Hatshepsut.

Punt itself will have to "generalized" for the game, since it not known where it was located as the following text indicates:

..Punt remains a mystery to us even today, for we do not precisely know its actual location. It has been suggested that Punt, because of its exotic "overseas" character, might be as far away as Somalia, Yemen or even the Horn of Africa. However, many modern Egyptologists place Punt much nearer to Egypt. We known that some of Punt's treasures were carried over land by way of Nmay and Irem (through the modern Sudan). We also here of the children of the chiefs of Punt that were raised at the Egyptian court alongside the children of Kush (Nubia) and Irem. Therefore, it has been assumed that Punt was not so far away, and most modern scholars place it perhaps on Africa's East Coast perhaps only just south of Egypt. Furthermore, modern attempts to classify flora and fauna suggests that Punt may have been located in the southern Sudan or the Eritrean region of Ethiopia. Yet this would place Punt to the east of Nubia and there is no evidence of military conflict between Punt and Egypt, as there was between Egypt and Nubia.

One even wonders whether Punt was indeed an actual political entity through all the years between Egypt's Old and New Kingdoms, or was rather more of a generalized, perhaps encompassing a rather large area of Eastern Africa
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[Ineti]

Where did you pull that text from? Interesting reading.

I recall reading somewhere (might have been Tyldesley's book Hatchepsut) that the expedition to Punt might have involved a trip up the Nile, portage of the boats across some distance of land, then on down the east coast of Africa. I'll have to look it up when I get a chance...

[Afterburner]

We known that some of Punt's treasures were carried over land by way of Nmay and Irem...

Irem of the Pillars?!? :eek:

[Keith]

Where did you pull that text from? Interesting reading.

I recall reading somewhere (might have been Tyldesley's book Hatchepsut) that the expedition to Punt might have involved a trip up the Nile, portage of the boats across some distance of land, then on down the east coast of Africa. I'll have to look it up when I get a chance...
The sites I've been looking at all mention that the expedition traveled along the coast of east Africa.

In the summer of the eighth year of her reign, Queen Hatshepsut (1498-1483 BCE) sent Senenmet with a fleet of five ships with thirty rowers each from Qoseir, on the Red Sea, to the Land of Punt, called "God's Land", which was probably in the Horn of Africa.

It was primarily a trading expedition busy with buying myrrh and myrrh saplings, frankincense and fragrant unguents used for cosmetics and in religious ceremonies, but some animals and plants of no economic importance were also collected, brought back to Egypt and realistically depicted on Hatshepsut's temple walls at Deir el-Bahri, near Luxor in the Valley of the Kings.


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Well the screenshot answered my question. I saw Alot of those ship there in the screen shots.

[OhhJim]

The book "Ages in Chaos" suggests that maybe Queen Hatshepsut was the Queen of Sheba, and Punt was Israel. Yeah, the timeline is off by a few hundred years, but that's what the book is about.

[Keith]

The book "Ages in Chaos" suggests that maybe Queen Hatshepsut was the Queen of Sheba, and Punt was Israel. Yeah, the timeline is off by a few hundred years, but that's what the book is about.
Yeah, just a little off...wrong century and wrong direction. ;)
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