Tombs & prestige

[Amenirdis]

Hi all.
Does anyone know what kind of tomb is expected for the Pharaoh at a certain amount of prestige?
I am currently doing the Bubastis scenario and I had about 100 prestige, a finished small pyramid and a working mortuary when the Pharaoh died. But still I lost prestige. :(
Should I have built a bigger pyramid? Or shouldn't I have started a second pyramid while the king was still alive?
Thanks in advance for your help!

PS: Sorry for my English, I am not a native speaker. ;)

[Maatkaamun]

Hi all.
Does anyone know what kind of tomb is expected for the Pharaoh at a certain amount of prestige?
I am currently doing the Bubastis scenario and I had about 100 prestige, a finished small pyramid and a working mortuary when the Pharaoh died. But still I lost prestige. :(
Should I have built a bigger pyramid? Or shouldn't I have started a second pyramid while the king was still alive?
Thanks in advance for your help!

PS: Sorry for my English, I am not a native speaker. ;)

Your english is great! Better than some of us who were born here. :D

I think you will always lose some prestige, because the new pharoah hasn't proven himself yet. However, the trick is to always have a larger monument than the last one Pharoah was buried in.

How much prestige did you lose? If it was under, say, 15, I wouldn't worry.

[Dog of the Sun]

A pharohs death always ends up in loss of prestiege. It will start off w/ o lets say 12-20 depending on accomplishments and generally deminish to normal level before Pharoh died. Just call it an unfair punishment for something you can't control but will SLOWLY be paid back. :)

[Amenirdis]

Oh, I see now! I didn't know I lose prestige everytime, because I didn't get such messages for the first couple of pharaos. Or I didn't realize it. Hmm.... will have to take a closer look at this.
Anway, I got quite some prestige hits because three kings died quite soon one after the other so that my prestige couldn't recover quite so fast from those blows. And I think I lost more then 15 points per king.
Maybe I'll start anew... :rolleyes:
Anyway. Thanks so much for your help! *huge hug*

[sitearm]

Amenirdis: Some good tips on managing prestige in links below.

IMHO real goal is to keep prestige at just the level you want, to have enough elites to work your projects, but not too much, where it hurts too bad when pharaoh dies.

Tombs are a key part of managing prestige but not the only part.

Tombs and Why Prestige Rises & Falls (TM Post)
http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36529&postcount=17 (http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36529&postcount=17)

Ways to Increase Prestige
this whole thread... especially the first half...
http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4136 (http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4136)

Keeping Prestige at Just the Level You Want
http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showpost.php?p=41614&postcount=20 (http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showpost.php?p=41614&postcount=20)

P.S. What's your native language... Fr.... De.... It....? :)

Does anyone know what kind of tomb is expected for the Pharaoh at a certain amount of prestige?...Should I have...

[Amenirdis]

Amenirdis: Some good tips on managing prestige in links below.

P.S. What's your native language... Fr.... De.... It....? :)

Thank you so much for the links! I'm gonna read through them right away. :D

My native language ist German. Well... Swiss-German, anyway. ;)

[Maatkaamun]

The threads will tell you this, but the higher your prestige, the more you lose to pharoah death. It can be quite a chunk. :eek:

[NanaBanana]

The threads will tell you this, but the higher your prestige, the more you lose to pharoah death. It can be quite a chunk. :eek:

And if you have no prestige yet, you lose nothing. :D

[Amenirdis]

The threads will tell you this, but the higher your prestige, the more you lose to pharoah death. It can be quite a chunk. :eek:
*grins* Yeah, now I know. The first time I lost a lot of prestige, I thought it was maybe because the funary was not active. But when it happend again the following times I was like ':eek: YIKES! What's going on here!' :D But thanks to all of you I am now wiser and have started Bubastis over and right now it's working like a charm. :cool:

[Amenirdis]

Sorry, for bringing this up again.

I hadn't been able to play for some time. Tonight I finally picked up the game where I left it and played for a while. Narmer II eventually died and was buried in a small pyramid as the larger Version was not yet finished. Anyway... at the death of him I lost 9 prestige. Then when the funery process arrived at the pyramid it climbed to 13, so I thought "Well, pyramid seems not to be good enough." Naturally, I just played on for a little while longer until I saw that the prestige loss had climbed up to 15, then 16 and now 17. :eek: :eek:
Is that because I continued to build up my prestige with some stele and small sphinxes right after Narmer II's death? Has somebody else noticed this continuing loss of prestige for the death of the very same pharaoh? Or is the new pharaoh just not doing well enough in the eyes of the people? :D :D

[homegrown]

That's how it works. There is an initial hit, it peaks, then starts slowly down again. You will also see a cooresponding increase to prestige under your Tombs as whatever he is buried in is more prestigious once he's buried there.

In my experience, by the time the Death of Pharaoh causes a really big prestige hit, whatever is not offset by the Tomb increase is easily made up for as long as the new Pharaoh starts some building... statues are nice. New Pharaoh's always want to see images of themselves.

[Amenirdis]

Ahh.... okay. Then I will let my new pharaoh build on and watch how my prestige (hits) behaves. Thanks!

[Innovan]

You're mixing several stats here. You're seeing a prestige decay from your older monuments getting stale. It's not all from the Pharaoh dying.

The hit from a Pharaoh dying is a one shot that appears at only at the time of his death. When the first member of the funeral party makes it to his tomb you get the prestige increase of buring a Pharaoh added back. This does decay over time, and eventually hits a baseline.

The prestige of all monuments also hits an initial peak, decays, then hits a baseline which it doesn't sink beneath also. Likewise the negative prestige of a Pharaoh dying gets less and less with time.

No one's really taken the time to chart out exact numbers for the prestige intial, how fast the decay is, and what the eventual baseline remains at for all the different monuments and tombs, much less the effect of burying Pharaohs, Royals and Nobles. Nor does anyone know if the prestige curve of a Pharaoh's tomb is effected be the Pharaoh's prestige or age at time of death, or accomplishments, or any other factors.

[Raccoon_TOF]

Actually, I can answer the last one...prestige hit on pharaoh death is proportional to the amount of prestige you had at the time he died (the more prestige, the larger the hit). However, the prestige "award" for burial is fixed based on tomb type, and no other factor. I don't remember or have written down the exact figures for each tomb, but I can tell you that the baseline value of a tomb with a pharaoh buried in it is exactly double the baseline value of the same type of tomb empty.

[Amenirdis]

You're mixing several stats here. You're seeing a prestige decay from your older monuments getting stale. It's not all from the Pharaoh dying. I'm sorry, but I don't think I do.
I am speaking only about the number under "Events" where it is written "Pharaoh death -16 (or any other number)". That number was initally -9 (immediately after death), then climbed to -13 (arriving at small pyramid), and then shortly afterwards while the next pharaoh built his own statues, it climed on to about -17 and stayed there for quite some time before it slowly climbed down again.

The prestige of all monuments also hits an initial peak, decays, then hits a baseline which it doesn't sink beneath also. Likewise the negative prestige of a Pharaoh dying gets less and less with time. Yes, I know that. :) But thanks for your effort anyway.

[Amenirdis]

*snip* ...but I can tell you that the baseline value of a tomb with a pharaoh buried in it is exactly double the baseline value of the same type of tomb empty. I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the info.

[Keith]

See...."bean counting" leads to nothing but aggrivation and grief. ;)

I myself don't care "why" it happens, if it happens, which I try to avoid by being prepared for his death. I work on fixing the problem rather than contemplating my navel as to the "why's" for the drop. I've only had one instance where a Pharaoh died and I wasn't ready for it and prestige did continue to drop for a time. I just kept building mastabas and statues to counter it. and managed to stave off the onslaught on prestige.

[Amenirdis]

See...."bean counting" leads to nothing but aggrivation and grief. ;)
Yeah, that's true. I really have to take it easier... to relax.... In game and in life. :D ;)