View Full Version : My wish for Caesar IV
Pro Consul George
08-25-2005, 08:03 PM
It sure would be great to have all the city building capabilities of the former Caesar III and the military capabilities similar to Rome Total War. The military action and control is awesome for Rome Total War and this feature in the city building series would blow me away.
Dog of the Sun
08-25-2005, 08:06 PM
As allways, Im sure the devs are listening, but control is nice to have. :)
Pro Consul George
08-25-2005, 08:12 PM
I hope they are listening. Control with the military would be so wild.
Thucydides
08-25-2005, 08:59 PM
My own preference is for the warfare to be handled in a strategic and operational fashion. The total war series (and I must admit I didn't like the series much) places far more emphasis on tactical warfare than city building. This is fine if you like tactical warfare, but tedious if you prefer the strategic and operational level of warfare - and, most importantly, building cities.
Pro Consul George
08-25-2005, 09:01 PM
But just city building Rome with some war tactics? Lets take it up a notch and include those tactics as well. I thoroughly enjoyed the Rome Total War military engagements. But I have to agree some more tactics would make it better too.
Thucydides
08-25-2005, 09:10 PM
The tactical level of warfare is often confused with the operational level, and sometimes even with the strategic level. Tactics is how you win a military engagement in the pursuit of an operational, and ultimately strategic, goal. When you fight a battle in RTW this is the tactical level of warfare. Operational warfare is how you conduct a campaign (and there was a great game series called the "Operational Art of War"). And strategic warfare is how you win a war, generally through a series of campaigns... Put it another way, when the Russians fought in WW2, Stalin was in charge of the strategic level, Generals like Zhukov were in charge of the operational level, and poor old Colonels and below were in charge of tactical level engagements.
smile. R.
Pro Consul George
08-25-2005, 09:14 PM
Possibly the next level in the Caesar city building series? We can hope.
Acamas
08-25-2005, 09:43 PM
YES!! I agree 100%!!! With the Caesar 3 and RTW built together it would create a perfect game. I think the campaigns and military expeditions should be more advanced.
Keith
08-26-2005, 02:34 AM
Caesar III is a classic. But as much as I loved Caesar III it is far from perfect (even the developers have hinted at that). I think TM is on the right track expanding on their experience with CotN and improving and rewriting ideas that weren't fully implementable in Caesar III because of computer power limitations of the day.
Rome Total War combat is a load of fun, I would love having that sort of control on the Caesar IV battlefield.
RTW's main focus is that combat and the citybuilding portion of the game suffers for it and plays second fiddle to the combat portion and empire expansion of that game. The campaign map of RTW would be a great inclusion in Caesar IV (as would the old Caesar II empire map), hopefully we will see something like that.
I will anxiously be waiting to see what it is that TM has in mind for Caesar IV over the next 12 months or so.
prof786
08-26-2005, 02:57 AM
would the enemies have their own special offense and defense strategies along with battle formations? and if they do, would the roman army have the ability to replicate that and vice versa?
Thucydides
08-26-2005, 03:14 AM
I guess it is a matter of priorities. Citybuilding should be the first priotity for Caesar IV to get right... and most of the effort shold be spent on this. Everything else is a bonus. RTW was NOT a CB game. And the same can be said for many RTS games (and in my view the word strategy is terribly misused for most games). The tactical warfare that some people like should be seen as a desirable add-on. If, of course, Tilted Mill can achieve both objectives than this is a mightly fine outcome. But I would hate to see the CB element sacrificed to the desire to placate the tactical warfare lobbiests. If you want tactical warfare then the market place is filled with acceptable games. ;) Robert
vic_4
08-26-2005, 03:28 AM
I guess it is a matter of priorities. Citybuilding should be the first priotity for Caesar IV to get right... and most of the effort shold be spent on this. Everything else is a bonus. RTW was NOT a CB game. And the same can be said for many RTS games (and in my view the word strategy is terribly misused for most games). The tactical warfare that some people like should be seen as a desirable add-on. If, of course, Tilted Mill can achieve both objectives than this is a mightly fine outcome. But I would hate to see the CB element sacrificed to the desire to placate the tactical warfare lobbiests. If you want tactical warfare then the market place is filled with acceptable games. ;) Robert
As much as a develpment of military option would be appreciated, I think it will be very important that the automatic military option be mantained like p.e. in Zeus.
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