Bah! This game does not deserve the title "Caesar IV"

[Run]

This is just as I feared it to be: a roman version of COTL.
Like COTL, it will probably be an OK game, but in no way whatsoever does it deserve to be called "Ceasar IV" because, by the looks of it, it shares none of the gameplay and game mechanics of the series. They should have called it something else, instead of cashing in on a popular series and inevitably disappointing many many players.

(I've looked around for a similar thread on this, as I was sure there'd be one, but apart from the odd comment I found nothing)

What bugs me the most is: what are the chances of there ever being a 'true' Caesar sequel now? One that uses the winning forumula of the original games? One that hasn't been rehashed into a completely different universe? Of course, since the game has only recently been announced, I'm sure some of you will be quick to point out that I'm being speculative. But I don't think that's an issue, because it's pretty obvious there aren't going to be 'walkers' any more.

I'm disappointed, to say the least.

- Run

P.s. Before this was announced I made a webpage for a caesar sequel (http://www.nanacide.com/caesarIV/), might help people get an idea of where I stand on this.

[Keith]

http://members.aol.com/dheitm8612/animated/troll3_ani.gif
...............

[Run]

If you disagree, that's fine, but I'm only expressing my opinion on this game's choice of title and, given that I didn't insult anyone or swear or use sarcastic tones, I am unsure of how you came to the conclusion that I am 'trolling'.

This is the only thread I will start on the subject, it is the only thread I will post in on the subject, so I certainly won't be "trolling the forums", even if expressing a negative opinion is "trolling", now.

Back to topic. What are your thoughts, Keith, on the choice of title for this game? Do you believe it is misleading the community?

[Keith]

If you disagree, that's fine, but I'm only expressing my opinion on this game's choice of title and, given that I didn't insult anyone or swear or use sarcastic tones, I am unsure of how you came to the conclusion that I am 'trolling'.

This is the only thread I will start on the subject, it is the only thread I will post in on the subject, so I certainly won't be "trolling the forums", even if expressing a negative opinion is "trolling", now.

Back to topic. What are your thoughts, Keith, on the choice of title for this game? Do you believe it is misleading the community?


So little info is available it's hard to believe anyone can be so adamant. There's a long wait between now and Fall 2006.

The game is being published by VUGames/Sierra, so they can call it what they like. I don't read things into game just because they put a number after the title. Nothing says that Caesar IV has to resemble Caesar III in anyway.

BTW, the thread title is a dead giveaway as a troll, the addition of the link to your site sort of tops it off.

[Run]

The title of the thread is my opinion, enclosed inside is the post explaining why it is my opinion. What's the big deal about that? Perhaps I'd have put the opinion in inverted commas so that people would know I'm discussing the opinion, but there are enough inverted commas already. Anyway, let it rest. I have no more to say on the subject of trolling.

Nothing says that Caesar IV has to resemble Caesar III in anyway.

No, but one would naturally assume that it would have some degree of similarity, especially since the first three were apparently so similar to each other in gameplay mechanics (relatively).

[MarkDuffy]

Bah! This game does not deserve the title "Caesar IV"

Welcome to our family, Run. :)

What an appropriate moniker! I hope you realize how much I love your thread title. You are wrong, though. Sorry! :p

This is the only thread I will start on the subject, it is the only thread I will post in on the subject, so I certainly won't be "trolling the forums", even if expressing a negative opinion is "trolling", now.

Apparently, that is EXACTLY the definition of trolling. Like it? I do!

[Thucydides]

I am surprised someone can make such an adament statement about the merit of a game a year before its release... Most game sequels I know improved on their predecessors, and I would be surprised if Caesar IV did not deliver some significant improvements in gameplay and visuals on the earlier Caesar games. That is simply the nature of the gaming industry. So lighten up Run and wait until the game is developed and released before casting such a vehment judgement.

[angelisis]

i find this sooo hilarious to say the least....we would be still playing bubble bobble and wonderboy if people did not advace the games to what they can do now.
i can't wait for the day when i can put on a set of goggels and walk through a city i build....it will happen you know....get prepared :p :D

[vic_4]

It is really hard to say just now how it will be the new game, but if is based on COTN and it can fulfill its premises, I think it will well deserve the name Caesar IV.

[Afterburner]

No, but one would naturally assume that it would have some degree of similarity, especially since the first three were apparently so similar to each other in gameplay mechanics (relatively).

Except that Caesar3 was very much unlike Caesar2 or Caesar. The buildings in the first two games didn't spawn walkers, and simply had an "effect radius" like Police Stations and Fire Stations in SimCity. Designing a city in the first two games involved having overlapping effect radii for your various buildings to ensure your housing was adequately provided for.

Caesar3 removed the effect radii and added the walkers, and as a consequence became a completely different game. Caesar3 was as different from Caesar2 as Caesar4 will be from Caesar3. And that's okay.

[Run]

Fair point. Having not played it, I didn't know that there were no walkers and such. In that case I retract my original opinion. It's a shame though; I really enjoyed that aspect of the mechanics in Caesar III and Pharaoh and it would have been nice to have a 3D version, and with more elements, but based on the same engine.

[Amris]

I share your concern to a degree. I personally hope very much that it more resembles C3 than COTN. I found COTN to be immensely boring, and C3 to be utterly and completely engrossing.

But I with-hold judgement. Probably because I so WANT to love his game.

And currently, looking at the screenshots, I see more of a resemblance- so far- to C3 than to COTN.

Only time will tell. But you are not alone in hoping for a C4 instead of a COTN2. ;)

[MarkDuffy]

Run, we have lots of "walkers" in COTN. Many have complained that they walk too much. ;)

They just walk differently.

If you haven't tried, COTN, you should! :) It is a GREAT game. :)

[Run]

I have; I've got the game. But like Amris I found it very slow and boring. The game seemed to play itself to some extent, and left me out of loop. I just love the excessive micromanagement of Pharaoh :D

Ah well, we'll see how it turns out.

[mouse]

C4 is going to be based on a brand new game engine which by it's very nature will keep it from being a clone of CotN. It's awfully difficult to judge a game that hasn't even made it to the alpha stage yet.

[MarkDuffy]

I just love the excessive micromanagement of Pharaoh :D

Another GREAT game! :)

My fav was Zeus/Poseidon

I loved the adventure concept where you started out simple with few buildings available, then went to a colony & back to your main city.

Military conquest & invasions, trading, angry gods rampaging, earthquakes/lava that destroyed huge swaths of your city & made you rebuild elsewhere & especially HEROES!

Yum! :D

[sitearm]

You might like to contribute to Wikipedia's Pharaoh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh_%28computer_game%29) article. It is just a stub, now.

...love ...Pharaoh

[Run]

Oooooh. That's new; I couldn't find one before.

[imhotep3147]

....we would be still playing bubble bobble


:eek: I remember Bubble Bobble....with the little dragony looking thingys that ate the bubbles!!!!!! :D I miss that game. :rolleyes:

[Acamas]

LOL! I knew this would happen. Do you realize they made COTN so that they can correct the mistakes they made there so that Caesar IV would be perfect? COTN is the first to undergo the new change in the city building series which is good so Caesar IV would be even greater because of its popularity.

[MarkDuffy]

LOL! I knew this would happen. Do you realize they made COTN so that they can correct the mistakes they made there so that Caesar IV would be perfect?

LMAO. You people never give up! :eek:

COTN is the first to undergo the new change in the city building series which is good so Caesar IV would be even greater because of its popularity.

So you agree with my post @ Heavengames! Thankx! :)

Rejoice or be beaten to death by our Legions! We are the future of CBing.


http://caesar3.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/caeforumscgi/display.cgi?action=ct&f=46,6330,,20

Interesting URL there. Even the COTN posts begin with caesar3.

[angelisis]

:eek: I remember Bubble Bobble....with the little dragony looking thingys that ate the bubbles!!!!!! :D I miss that game. :rolleyes:

i still play all the old games on my pc. mame32 baby.....let me know if you want to get back to the old days. :D
bubble bobble
1943
mr do
pacland
mercs
rygar
gallaga
burger time
bomb jack
pengo
etc etc

[Anguille]

I have to admit that i play the older games more often. CotN looks gorgeous but is very different. I am very curious about Caesar IV....

[Keith]

I have to admit that i play the older games more often. CotN looks gorgeous but is very different. I am very curious about Caesar IV....

I recommend that you at least download and play the demo for CotN. That way you can get a feel of what Caesar IV may be like.

Keep in mind the CotN demo is very limited and Caesar IV will probably include many changes and new features that didn't make it into the release version of CotN.

[wodinoneeye]

This is just as I feared it to be: a roman version of COTL.
Like COTL, it will probably be an OK game, but in no way whatsoever does it deserve to be called "Ceasar IV" because, by the looks of it, it shares none of the gameplay and game mechanics of the series. They should have called it something else, instead of cashing in on a popular series and inevitably disappointing many many players.

(I've looked around for a similar thread on this, as I was sure there'd be one, but apart from the odd comment I found nothing)

What bugs me the most is: what are the chances of there ever being a 'true' Caesar sequel now? One that uses the winning forumula of the original games? One that hasn't been rehashed into a completely different universe? Of course, since the game has only recently been announced, I'm sure some of you will be quick to point out that I'm being speculative. But I don't think that's an issue, because it's pretty obvious there aren't going to be 'walkers' any more.

I'm disappointed, to say the least.

- Run

P.s. Before this was announced I made a webpage for a caesar sequel (http://www.nanacide.com/caesarIV/), might help people get an idea of where I stand on this.



Not sure how you can tell much about the game when all you have to go by is a few screenshots (and they are mockups to boot).


L ???

[wodinoneeye]

i find this sooo hilarious to say the least....we would be still playing bubble bobble and wonderboy if people did not advace the games to what they can do now.
i can't wait for the day when i can put on a set of goggels and walk through a city i build....it will happen you know....get prepared :p :D



Im outraged that Doom 4 is gonna be crap -- cuz I saw it in a dream !!!!!!

[Anguille]

I recommend that you at least download and play the demo for CotN. That way you can get a feel of what Caesar IV may be like.

Keep in mind the CotN demo is very limited and Caesar IV will probably include many changes and new features that didn't make it into the release version of CotN.

I did play the demo and just bought CotN...i am just not that used to it yet. ;)

[hexagonian]

I'll feed the troll

If the game continues in the path blazed by CotN then there is cause for concern for the entire series...

...since CotN basically eliminated or greatly simplified much of the decision-making processes of city-building games.

What we have seen are some screenshots that reveal the game will have a 3-d engine. No problem there. I think the move to 3-d was a good one when CotN went that route. But it's merely eye-candy. The same beauty can be created in a 2-d format.

I will not make a judgement about whether Caeser IV will be good or not at this stage - it is entirely possible that new game elements in Caeser IV might offer a unique set of decision-making to the player. So I'll give TM some benefit of the doubt until we actually hear what they plan on doing. And to be fair, it might not become obvious how those new elements operate until the game is released and played.

At the same time, it is clear to me after playing, that CotN is mostly eye-candy with just a smattering of gameplay. So the direction of Caeser IV might become clear as those elements are revealed by TM.

Wait and see.

[Scott7]

I don't believe this guy is a troll. He's acting a bit forward with the assumption, but I must admit I've had the same worries.

I do hope Caesar IV will be Caesar IV and not Children of the Tiber, so to speak.

[Pontius Pilatus]

I care about this game being the worthy successor in a series, but not yet worried. I don't hope the same game-attributes from cotn are copied in the very other environment of Roman Italy, but earnestly don't believe for a second it will go thus.
The developers are not that stupid to do a flooding of the Tiber every year. Or asking us to build a Piramid or other edifice for a dying Caesar.
In my opinion the developers(hey they are nearly immortal themselves)now are really on the game they really want to make and quality will come up splendid and easy just because of that.
But hey, maybe I'm just a dreamer.

BTW The Children of the Tiber analogy was mine first, for what it's worth.

[Scott7]

BTW The Children of the Tiber analogy was mine first, for what it's worth.

No! I thought of it years ago! And I have it copyrighted!

Actually, I think such an obvious choice of words is bound to show up several times independently. No need to be defensive.

[MarkDuffy]

BTW The Children of the Tiber analogy was mine first, for what it's worth.

Good, now I know who to blame.

Egypt was based on the Nile.

Children of the Tiber is a disgusting mocking of our game.

Children of Rome

:D

[Czech Centurian]

Just remember. One of the unique qualities of the Caesar series is that they keep setting new standards for city building. It always astounds. Just look at the transition from CII to CIII big difference I know. But if no one took the initiative games would be lagging way behind.

[MarkDuffy]

I don't believe this guy is a troll.

LMAO

I agree.

However, it is very easy to consider all of the C3 Cultists to be trolls. ;) :D

[Azeem]

However, it is very easy to consider all of the C3 Cultists to be trolls. ;) :D

I'm sure you also have a nice little bridge to hide under as well. :p

[MarkDuffy]

Giving You Life

Josey: You be Ten Bears?

Ten Bears: I am Ten Bears.

Josey: (spits tobacco) I'm Josey Wales.

Ten Bears: I have heard. You're the Gray Rider. You would not make peace with the Blue Coats. You may go in peace.

Josey: I reckon not. Got nowhere to go.

Ten Bears: Then you will die.

Josey: I came here to die with you. Or live with you. Dying ain't so hard for men like you and me, it's living that's hard; when all you ever cared about has been butchered or raped. Governments don't live together, people live together. With governments you don't always get a fair word or a fair fight. Well I've come here to give you either one, or get either one from you. I came here like this so you'll know my word of death is true. And that my word of life is then true. The bear lives here, the wolf, the antelope, the Comanche. And so will we. Now, we'll only hunt what we need to live on, same as the Comanche does. And every spring when the grass turns green and the Comanche moves north, he can rest here in peace, butcher some of our cattle and jerk beef for the journey. The sign of the Comanche, that will be on our lodge. That's my word of life.

Ten Bears: And your word of death?

Josey: It's here in my pistols, there in your rifles. I'm here for either one.

Ten Bears: These things you say we will have, we already have.

Josey: That's true. I ain't promising you nothing extra. I'm just giving you life and you're giving me life. And I'm saying that men can live together without butchering one another.

Ten Bears: It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double-tongues. There is iron in your word of death for all Comanche to see. And so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron, it must come from men. The words of Ten Bears carries the same iron of life and death. It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of life... or death. It shall be life. (he takes his knife and cuts his hand. Josey does the same and they grasp each others hand.) So shall it be.

[Pontius Pilatus]

No! I thought of it years ago! And I have it copyrighted!

Actually, I think such an obvious choice of words is bound to show up several times independently. No need to be defensive.

Well that just said it, I believe, didn't I, or could I be wrong. Better check it tomorrow, not so sure right now. Oh, well, isn't worth the bother, forget I mentioned it, or should you? Not sure there, maybe you know: I'll leave it up to you.

[Lumpylo]

OK, it's bad enough that so many people who hate CotN have never played it, but to talk about the Caesar series without ever having played Caesar or Caesar II is just as bad.

I've played them all. I've played Caesar, Caesar II, Caesar III, Pharoah/Cleopatra, Zeus/Poseidon, Emperor, and CotN. I don't really see how CotN falls below the standards of the other games. I still find myself mapping out city models and trying to figure out what works best. The only big difference in city planning is that instead of basing all the strategy on walkers, I base it on distance. I still check out the forums for ideas. There are still requirements that need to be fulfilled. There is still much for one to learn and try in the game. If you want evidence of this, just check the CotN forum.

I think most of the problems people have with the game are problems inherent in any game about ancient Egypt. It would have been more interesting if war played a bigger role, but frankly ancient Egypt was peaceful most of the time. Maybe it would be more fun if everything were faster-paced, but the pace of life was largely dictated by the seasons. Politics might be fun, but real Pharoahs were absolute monarchs (except when they were minors).

As for the problem with "eye-candy," I'm one of those people who's been holding out for ten years waiting for a football (American) game that allows me to design my own plays, but instead all we get are more and more great graphics. I know how frustrating it can be, and believe me, it's been frustrating (especially since even old games like Football Pro '93 let you design plays). But I don't see how CotN falls into this "all-graphics no gameplay" category. There are so many new features that older CB games never had that I think it can afford to go without some of the older features.

I just want to say this - Children of the Nile is a great game.

[wodinoneeye]

OK, it's bad enough that so many people who hate CotN have never played it, but to talk about the Caesar series without ever having played Caesar or Caesar II is just as bad.

I've played them all. I've played Caesar, Caesar II, Caesar III, Pharoah/Cleopatra, Zeus/Poseidon, Emperor, and CotN. I don't really see how CotN falls below the standards of the other games. I still find myself mapping out city models and trying to figure out what works best. The only big difference in city planning is that instead of basing all the strategy on walkers, I base it on distance. I still check out the forums for ideas. There are still requirements that need to be fulfilled. There is still much for one to learn and try in the game. If you want evidence of this, just check the CotN forum.

I think most of the problems people have with the game are problems inherent in any game about ancient Egypt. It would have been more interesting if war played a bigger role, but frankly ancient Egypt was peaceful most of the time. Maybe it would be more fun if everything were faster-paced, but the pace of life was largely dictated by the seasons. Politics might be fun, but real Pharoahs were absolute monarchs (except when they were minors).

As for the problem with "eye-candy," I'm one of those people who's been holding out for ten years waiting for a football (American) game that allows me to design my own plays, but instead all we get are more and more great graphics. I know how frustrating it can be, and believe me, it's been frustrating (especially since even old games like Football Pro '93 let you design plays). But I don't see how CotN falls into this "all-graphics no gameplay" category. There are so many new features that older CB games never had that I think it can afford to go without some of the older features.

I just want to say this - Children of the Nile is a great game.


Didnt the Caesar games have a more developed 'World' level game ????

In CotN I was disappointed that their 'World' interactions were so one dimensional.

[Azeem]

Didnt the Caesar games have a more developed 'World' level game ????

In CotN I was disappointed that their 'World' interactions were so one dimensional.

Not really. The "World Level" was quite flat in the earlier Caesar games as well since all you did was trade and dispatch stuff. Caesar II had a nice "Provincial Level" where you can build industries, warehouses, military, etc., but still were not really that interactive. The only CB that had a much more interactive "World Level" was Emperor: Rise of the Middle Kingdom.

[sitearm]

Emperor world level interaction is quite advanced in trade and military play.

Other cities can be friendly, indifferent, or hostile.

You can change each city's attitude, positively or negatively, through gifts, adjustable trade prices, granting or denying of requests for goods or troops, and military actions.

The prices for goods coming in may be raised, as you can raise your prices on goods going out. If you raise prices too high, they stop buying, or sometimes even suspend trading.

Hostile cities love to send invasion troops onto your map frequently, giving you ample opportunity to direct your troops, if you have any. Sometimes they raid you while continuing to trade with you, unless you raise your prices too high. Talk about real life...

You can send spies to sabotage a hostile city's military (which reduces the strength of troops that invade you, or sometimes postpones invasions indefinitely) or economics (which weakens them, makes them less arrogant, and sometimes makes them buy more from you).

Their spies invade your city too, and go after your military or trade facilities as well, unless you catch them in the act.

Like I said, Emperor world level interaction is quite advanced! And fun!

[eobet]

I am going to agree with the thread maker here. Nothing posted so far indicates that Caesar IV will be much different from CotN, and as I've expressed in other threads, that game was horrible (imo) compared to the old city building series.

3D for the sake of 3D is worthless! Use its unique possibilities! I mean, Stronghold 2, where you can look into buildings and see what's going on would be a very good example if it weren't for that fact that Stronghold 1 (2D) already did this, and did it better!

The only ones who have been making good use of 3D in strategy games yet is Relic (though I'm very disappointed that elevation doesn't play a role in DoW). They can really use the medium, but most people who go from 2D to 3D fail miserably, and so far, I'm sorry to say, Tilted Mill is amongst that lot.

Oh, and also...

Bubble Bobble still rules!

Find me a better platform game, I dare you! :p

[Rusicade]

Just read about C4. I'm another one that had a hard time getting interested in CotN. Maybe I should give it another try. But out of the episodes I've played in this series, the most fun I've had was New Carthage in C3.

The City on fire, the natives restless, no way to make armor until trade is developed, not much land to farm, the city you inherit is poorly designed--- and the Carthaginians are marching toward your City. Now make a great looking City. I had a lot of fun with that one.

I have no use for a "hack and slash" version of the game. But the attacks on the City test your ability to build quickly and well.

It's the same with the Walkers. They were infuriating. I can remember screaming till I was red in the face because they kept going the wrong way. But when they were removed, it took away some of the challenge. In Emperor, I loved the history, the city's you could make, etc. But I never felt the same sense of challenge. I hope they bring it back.

Bob

[Run]

3D for the sake of 3D is worthless! Use its unique possibilities! I mean, Stronghold 2, where you can look into buildings and see what's going on would be a very good example if it weren't for that fact that Stronghold 1 (2D) already did this, and did it better!

I agree. 3D must take so much time and effort that could easily have been spent on gameplay. In a grid-based city building game, 3D just doesn't belong. They could, i feel, have easily made an isometric or trimetric city-building game with smooth and variable zooming and immense detail at maximum zoom, all without the need for 3D, and it would look brilliant.

Some developers have started noticing this and put "fix to isometric" in their 3D games, so it looks and feels isometric but has 3D graphics. Now I like that. I couldn't find that in COTN and that was annoying.

[tobing]

...isometric or trimetric ...

Some developers have started noticing this and put "fix to isometric" in their 3D games, so it looks and feels isometric but has 3D graphics...
What is 'trimetric'? And which developers do you talk about?

[Run]

Actually I meant "Dimetric" but now that I think of it Trimetric would work to. It's basically, well... hmm... i wonder if a google will bring up an example. Ah here we go:

http://www4.district125.k12.il.us/Faculty/djohanns/PageMill_Images/TDIIsoView.gifhttp://www4.district125.k12.il.us/Faculty/djohanns/PageMill_Images/TDIDimetView.gifhttp://www4.district125.k12.il.us/Faculty/djohanns/PageMill_Images/TDITrimetView.gif

That might make sense.
Aslo: Frontier.

[tobing]

I see. So that's all isometric, but with different viewing angles.

For camera modes, I think I would like to have several camera modes available, one is isometric (with 4 directions and 30° view angle), one would be rectangular (4 directions, top-down view) and of course free movement, mainly for looking around in the game world, enjoy the eye-candy and take screenshots. There may be more, but these are what I would like to use in a 3D strategy game.

Btw, I don't know what bubble bobble is...

[Rubicon]

Just read about C4. I'm another one that had a hard time getting interested in CotN. Maybe I should give it another try.
...
It's the same with the Walkers. They were infuriating. I can remember screaming till I was red in the face because they kept going the wrong way. But when they were removed, it took away some of the challenge. In Emperor, I loved the history, the city's you could make, etc. But I never felt the same sense of challenge. I hope they bring it back.
I feel the same way! I don't feel the same level of challenge in CotN that I did with C3 and, therefore, don't play it much. You just plop down some buildings and then watch everybody walk around the city. It's visually appealing and quite fun to watch your pyramid construction. It's frankly breathtaking to watch the sun set behind your city. However, that does not contribute to the replayability of the game. The logistical challenge is not at the same level of C3 (or Pharaoh or Zeus for that matter).

Perhaps if I put more time into it, I would appreciate CotN more. Alas, for me, it just doesn't have the same charm or allure of that tired old Caesar III.

[Marc5]

I would love to see someone make a mod for C3 to just add a simple roadblock like in Pharaoh.

Anyone up for the challenge??!? :)

[Keith]

I would love to see someone make a mod for C3 to just add a simple roadblock like in Pharaoh.

Anyone up for the challenge??!? :)

Don't need roadblock mod..... Remove a road tile or use a city gate....works the same as a roadblock.

[Pontius Pilatus]

Some people here haven't heard about shouting being an impolite practice.
Using capitals or larger fonts should be used as enhancement of esp important parts of posts or quotes. Shouting all the way through a post is not done. Shouting with every post is plain irritating, unless the perpetrator has a special dispensation(like being visually disabled, or otherwise).

[Svip]

Huh, what? ... w-what?

Err... :< This topic doesn't deserv to exist, even though Run is throwing us a fair point.

But really, you shouldn't care about titles. The game has some of the spirit of the past game, and since it's basically the same, well, yeah! We're talking the same, just add 1 to the title.

Anyways, I think we can learn from this, research before making opinions.

Games change, times change, stuff changes, it might suck in your opinion, well! What would be fun just making Caesar III into a 3D game?! oh lol! What fun.

No, we need more, we are greedy selfish only-thinking-of-ourselves kind of people.

[Amenirdis]

Some people here haven't heard about shouting being an impolite practice.
Using capitals or larger fonts should be used as enhancement of esp important parts of posts or quotes. Shouting all the way through a post is not done. Shouting with every post is plain irritating, unless the perpetrator has a special dispensation(like being visually disabled, or otherwise).

Are you refering to Phil? Well, then you've already given the answer: "visually disabled". He doesn't see well, that's why he's using the large font. So he's not shouting in his posts.

[Run]

What would be fun just making Caesar III into a 3D game?!

But it's not as simple as that - Caesar III has tonnes of room for improvement without changing the engine (significantly) and game mechanics on which the game is based.

[Pontius Pilatus]

Didn't know that, still there are other ways, maybe he doesn't know he irritates people and somebody should help him.

[Amenirdis]

Oh he knows. :) A lot of people here reacted the same way you did when he first started posting on these forums. I think he doesn't even make the font bold, it's just that the size of it makes it appear so. And the words in capitals are just for emphasizing. (Correct me if I'm wrong, Phil :) )

After a while you'll get used to it. ;) :cool:

[Pontius Pilatus]

Thank you Amen, I just hope he doesn't read my insult and gets wrong ideas.
Probably he won't because he can't read my smallprint. Can't we just keep it from him? It's our secret, right?

[Amenirdis]

Thank you Amen, I just hope he doesn't read my insult and gets wrong ideas.
Probably he won't because he can't read my smallprint. Can't we just keep it from him? It's our secret, right?
Hehe, I think it's too late. ;) :D I think he's replying right now. :D But don't worry, I'm sure he'll forgive you. ;) Right, Phil? (edit: or maybe not... yet)

edit nr2: Anytime, Phil. :)

[Keith]

Thank you Amen, I just hope he doesn't read my insult and gets wrong ideas.
Probably he won't because he can't read my smallprint. Can't we just keep it from him? It's our secret, right?

Phil is a clever fellow. It may require him to take extra steps and makes reading and replying on the board more laborious, but he can make that small print large enough for him to read.

[Pontius Pilatus]

Under criminal law it is persecutable to simulate visual disability to attain or obtain financial benefits or otherwise claim dispensations or other favourable benefits as compared with the citizen's standard rights.

(In this case it could be helpful, alas I made it up)

[Run]

Who ME :confused: ?! If YOU say so, Keith :D !!!

Seriously though and so it's known. Yes I DO take extra steps so I can read the forums. As in Copy, Paste, AND Enlarge into Wordpad.

Hmmm, you might find it easier to enlarge the text directly in your browser by holding down CTRL and moving the scroll wheel on your mouse, if you have one (if you don't, might be a good idea to invest in one). Unless there's a reason you're not doing this that I don't know about.

[EmperorJay]

Really? Just as I read Run's suggestion I tried it and wham I had this huge characters on my screen :D .

[Kiya]

Really? Just as I read Run's suggestion I tried it and wham I had this huge characters on my screen :D .
I tried it too, but all I get is Phil's and Run's text smaller and back to huge. All the other posts remain the same. I wonder what this is. :confused:

[Pecunia]

I wonder what this is. :confused:
Huge bug in Internet Explorer. And Phil can't use Firefox because it somehow messes up other application's fonts (not a clue how that could happen though :confused: )
Phil, have you tried Opera (www.opera.com) already? That one even scales images if you use text scale.

[Pontius Pilatus]

Why a bug? Comes in handy here. Go to minimal mode and only the shouters get toned down. So everybody in same mode again. Problem solved. :)
That is poor Phil still got his problem. :(

[Arkimedes]

Humm, "trolling" after all has its benefits... look at the forum views/replies statistics. Interesting, hum?

Arkimedes

[Lumpylo]

Please don't give us more walkers. How many real cities run that way anyhow? They don't. For the most part, people go and get things instead of having food or healthcare or education delivered to their homes (I said for the most part). Walkers were kind of fun, as they permitted you to develop a certain strategy in city building, but I think it's about time people branched out. People are are acting as though fun and strategy = walkers. I disagree.

And by the way, don't you imagine that city planners enjoy seeing the results of their planning? Don't you think developers enjoy seeing the results of their developments? Seeing the city is important in a city-building game, and has been since C2.

In a real city people, not pharaoh or the Roman governor, built cities. I always thought it was unrealistic to plop finished buildings onto the map. In CotN, people build their buildings. People do their work. People get what they need. Why do we need to do all that for them in order to have strategy? Our job is to provide the means for the city to grow. I don't mind if the people themselves do what the people would in fact do.

[Amris]

The single biggest pet peeve I have right now with gaming is this horrific trend towards dumbed down, easy, boring, pathetic baby-games. COTN was boring, boring, boring. Did I mention boring?

I tried to give it a fair shake, and instead, ended up wasting $30 for my pains. And boring myself to death.

[Hawkwind586]

The single biggest pet peeve I have right now with gaming is this horrific trend towards dumbed down, easy, boring, pathetic baby-games. COTN was boring, boring, boring. Did I mention boring?

I tried to give it a fair shake, and instead, ended up wasting $30 for my pains. And boring myself to death.


My fellow Americans, And whatever else you may be; Please take time to call your local congressmen and support the "no Troll Left Behind" Act. Remember that No troll, no matter how destructive, should be left behind by society. Always remember, It is the responsibility of the decent folk of the world to burden around these unpleasant beings.

Thank you, and godspeed...

[Azeem]

I don't consider that trolling. It's an honest rant about one's dislikes. People are free to like and dislike what they want. Quite frankly, as comical as it inherently is, this whole "us" vs. "them" mentality is getting a bit out of hand. :rolleyes:

[Hawkwind586]

I don't consider that trolling. It's an honest rant about one's dislikes.
Well, I come from the Golemlabs Forums, where 'ranting' like that is considered trolling. The guy didn't say "i disliked the game becasue it was simply not entertaining enough and I felt i got cheated out of my $30" Instead he was repeating, ranting, insulting and, obviously, saying what he did for either revenge or to get other people mad.

I consider it a troll

People are free to like and dislike what they want.
Agreed, and he has every right to say CoTN is boring and lame. (I may sound like a mod here, but only because I was a mod at GL) But, when his posts are extreme and insulting and given for no other purpose than to insult someone, he has no right.


Quite frankly, as comical as it inherently is, this whole "us" vs. "them" mentality is getting a bit out of hand. :rolleyes:

LOL! I dont know where this came from, but i agree... people need to stop with the In-group bias (them vs. us) and start becoming more like the Japanese... :D

[Amris]

Um, no, I wasn't saying it to "get people mad," that was merely your interpretation. I was saying it to be a bit smart-ass in a funny way. But I was also saying it because I went out and spent $30 just because people told me how I wasn't entitled to an opinion because I had "only" played the demo. So yes, I am a bit perturbed that I spent $30 on the game, but more, I'm disturbed by the over-all trend to make things easy. More, I am irritated with the call for things to be made even EASIER and the complaints about it being SO HARD. I actually typed it when I was in a particularly ugly spot about that exact issue.

[Hawkwind586]

Ahh...


Well, if you want a hard game.... might i sudgest Superpower 2 (http://www.superpower2game.com/)

It's a Geo-political sim and has some REAL dificult spots, especialy with the realistic economy! I dont know, but if you want hard, that's the game to go with! Oh, it's not really popular, so you might have to order it. But it was definately worth it. It was released 6 months earlier than expected, so it has glitches in it. If you can get past those, you'll love it, Multiplayer on that game is the BEST!

[Amris]

Forums are 404 for that game.

[theonesr]

Fair point. Having not played it, I didn't know that there were no walkers and such. In that case I retract my original opinion. It's a shame though; I really enjoyed that aspect of the mechanics in Caesar III and Pharaoh and it would have been nice to have a 3D version, and with more elements, but based on the same engine.

I really agree with u lets pray for that wish :D

[Hawkwind586]

Forums are 404 for that game.


Ya, you gotta go to www.golemlabs.com and click forums, it'll give you a link for the temp forums.

[Zen]

I thought this might be a good place to announce that the 'C3 cult' has another registered member.

So beware the Ides of March.

Actually, that would be a cool release date...

[EmperorJay]

I'm not bothered by the large font at all :confused: I just didn't understand why you couldn't enlarge the texts. I do understand now :) .

[MarkDuffy]

I thought this might be a good place to announce that the 'C3 cult' has another registered member.

Where the hell have you been, slow-poke. ;)

Be sure to post appropriate rants in the proper locations & even make new rants.

Welcome to our family, Zen! :)

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