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Keith
10-23-2005, 02:08 AM
It seems that many games and peoples' impressions of what the curia, the Senate house, actually looked like are wrong.

Most seem to present the building in some sort of grand temple style similar to Greek temples with white marble and lots of columns. Unfortunately, the Roman Senate building was nothing of the sort.

Julius Caesar had a bulding for the Senate constructed in 43BC, the Curia Julia.

"[i]The curia proper is a hall 25.20 metres by 17.61 metres, of brick-faced concrete, with a huge buttress at each angle; the lower part of the front wall was decorated with slabs of marble, while the upper part (like the exterior of the thermae of Caracalla and Diocletian) was covered with stucco in imitation of white marble blocks with heavily draughted joints. The travertine consoles and the brick cornice which they support (which are continued round the triangular pediment) were also coated with stucco. A flight of steps led up to the entrance door, to which belonged an epistyle bearing this inscription: mperant[e . . .|[n]eratius in . . .|[c]uriam sen[atus] . . . The second line no doubt contained the name of an unknown praefectus urbi (fifth century). When the building became a church, a metrical (?) inscription was painted over it, of which only the first word, aspice, is preserved. Over the door were three large windows. A small portion of the pavement of the interior, of various coloured marbles, was recently exposed to view, but covered up again.

The marble facing of the internal walls was destroyed in 1562 (LR 266; LS iii.221 (for details, see Archivio Boccapaduli Arm. ii. Mazzo iv.46.10). The brick facing of the exterior and cornice were coated with stucco to represent marble (ib.), just as was the case in the Thermae of Diocletian.

In 303 A.D. there were erected in front of the curia, outside the comitium, two colossal columns, in celebration of the vicennalia and decennalia of Diocletian and his colleagues in the empire. The first base, found in 1490, is lost; but the second, decorated with inferior reliefs (one of which represents the suovetaurilia, in imitation of the Trajanic slabs) which was found in 1547, still lies not far from the niger lapis (Mitt. 1893, 281; HC 95‑96; CIL vi.1203‑1205, 31261, 31262). For a glass cup commemorating the same vicennalia see BC 1882, 180‑190."

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/Images/Gazetteer/Places/Europe/Italy/Lazio/Roma/Rome/Forum_Romanum/Curia/1.jpg
Foreground as seen from the southeast.

prof786
10-24-2005, 05:46 PM
it was like this that the people got their image of rome: everything is big, clean, white.
anything that we see (movies) concerning rome show the curia interior of expansive volume leaving you with the impression that such a space can only be contained within a skeleton similar to that of the parthenon.

King Faticus
10-24-2005, 05:52 PM
Even though it doesn't look the "Classical" part. It's still a very beautiful building:D I wander what it looked like then:cool:

Hey Keith can you find some pictures of what it looked like back in the day?
wait is the builing with the dome part of the senate or is that a completaly seperate structure if so im disapointed.
surely the republic had a senate house before julius caesar.... didn't they?

Keith
10-25-2005, 12:06 AM
The domed building in the background is not part of the Senate, its a church buit during the rennaissance. The Senat is the small squarish shaped building just beyond the rubble and before the church.

Lannes
10-25-2005, 04:22 AM
Came across this site with plenty of pictures of Rome. It also has some of the interior of the Curia, and a short history.

http://www.sionmc.com/Rome/ancient_rome.htm

Lannes

Keith
10-25-2005, 06:05 AM
Nice link and interesting pictures. I'll add that to my list.

King Faticus
10-25-2005, 06:39 AM
This is a great site thanx Lannes

prof786
10-25-2005, 08:59 AM
okay got more, keith from your spqr's
these are images of curia julia--actually it's from a model but still.

http://www.maquettes-historiques.net/R6XM.JPGhttp://www.maquettes-historiques.net/R6XK.jpg

what was the link?
http://www.maquettes-historiques.net/P5.html

MAX-1
10-25-2005, 07:43 PM
Both links are great.

I especially like the one that prof786 listed.

Can't belive that the guy made the models out of cardboard, and with so much detail. Gives me an idea as to how Caesar IV would look. I just imagine citzes meandering around. :D :) :D

prof786
10-25-2005, 10:30 PM
most of them are exterior models while the interior details are computer graphics. perhpas some version of 3D CADD.

Merino
10-30-2005, 05:55 AM
Based on this website

http://www.maquettes-historiques.net/P5.html

It appears that the model for the senate in C3 must have come from the buildings on the capitoline hill, considering it was essentially the heart of the city. I could be wrong but I think I recal reading somewhere that the senate in pompeii was similar in fashion.

[edit] after further research I am apparently wrong...

Through the senate now appears to have been much more a part of the forum which contained vairous other temples (usually jupiter). SO perhaps that calls for a much larger forum than C3 - in which, or assocatiated nearby, could be built the smaller structures/senate and temples.