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Tontoman

03-16-2006, 08:19 PM

wodinoneeye

03-16-2006, 08:34 PM

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/gloryoftheromanempire/news.html?sid=6145946&mode=previews

Don't know if it's been posted before but just FYI. Two Rome civs in one year. Might be good for the fans but I'm not sure about TM. Maybe that's why there is no news.. rethinking release date/schedule?

Methinks TM better rethink the military aspect of C4 ........

Funny links at bottom of their page ....
http://www.anytimecostumes.com/costumes/acgreek.html

Shadow-Imperator

03-16-2006, 10:18 PM

Methinks TM better rethink the military aspect of C4 ........

YES, 100% in favour of THAT!

Keith

03-16-2006, 10:45 PM

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/gloryoftheromanempire/news.html?sid=6145946&mode=previews

Don't know if it's been posted before but just FYI. Two Rome civs in one year. Might be good for the fans but I'm not sure about TM. Maybe that's why there is no news.. rethinking release date/schedule?

Yes, there were two other new threads about them earlier today. And from what I see there are actually three other Roman games in the works besides Caesar IV.

TM doesn't control the release of news updates. All that goes through VUG/Sierra marketing.

prof786

03-16-2006, 10:58 PM

wow that's a lot of 3d cb's coming out in 2006. this just might be a good year for the genre overall and the individual game methinks.

triggercut

03-16-2006, 10:59 PM

A market that might become saturated with Rome City builders having a negative effect on Caesar IV is one way to look at it.

I don't think that's the only way, though.

My day job, I run a restaurant. It's a business that's dependent on one thing more than any other factor: location. You can fix a lot of things that negatively impact your sales in that industry--service, food, accounting practices, etc.--but the one thing you can't fix is location. You might think that the best location possible is one where you have zero competition. You'd be wrong. While that used to be one school of thought, what marketers have found is that when you have a small group of restaurants together in close proximity, rather than negatively impact their individual sales, they actually help one another. People start thinking about that area as a "restaurant area", and it puts the location of those stores at the front of their minds as a destination. People think about eating out, they think about "restaurant rows", as they're called.

Same thing *might* apply here. I was sort of hoping that HBO would roll out Season 2 of "Rome" this fall, but that's not going to happen (we can still hope for repeats of Season 1, though). While that might've been ideal, having a couple of Rome city-building games come out around the same general time as C-IV might be just as good. It's going to get people thinking about the genre, for starters. It'll also put the setting front-and-center as well. Finally, you're going to see game reviewers and the gaming public in general compare the different games to each other....

At that point, it falls upon TM to deliver. That seems to me the least variable part of the equation. I think this team has the potential to put out a far better game than either of the other developers working on similar projects. As much as I enjoyed the first two Stronghold games, Stronghold 2 was an incredible disappointment; it just isn't a very good game. Firefly has some talented ex-Impressions folks working for them, and they could put out a solid game...but their games have always seemed to get the combat part right while making the actual city-building parts dull as dirt. As for Haemimont, they've had some very "outside-the-box" game designs in the past, so I'm sure "The Romans", should it get US/UK release will have some interesting stuff going on...but their games also usually have a ton of frustrating stuff and interface issues as well.

Azeem

03-16-2006, 11:32 PM

Another Rome CB game's coming out as well: CivCity: Rome. This time it's Firaxis and Firefly Studios.

Quite frankly, the Rome theme is being overdone a bit too much lately and all these new Rome CBs seem like attempts on the part of other developers to make "Caesar" clones. It'd be nice if there were CBs on other civilizations done. It's not like Rome is the only place in the entire universe. ;)

prof786

03-17-2006, 12:16 AM

It'd be nice if there were CBs on other civilizations done. It's not like Rome is the only place in the entire universe. ;)

the entertainment industry busy at works to saturate the market with enough roman mania until they say enough.

Keith

03-17-2006, 12:39 AM

Another Rome CB game's coming out as well: CivCity: Rome.

Right, plus Heart of the Empire Rome and The Glory of the Roman Empire (Die Römer) for a total of three beside Caesar IV.

The competition will be tough, but their shorter development time might work against them.

Azeem

03-17-2006, 01:21 AM

Then again, maybe it's not such a bad thing. It could be a Reniassance for the city-building genre, perhaps sparking more interest among the mainstream. It's been said before that city-builders had pretty much been a niche genre as FPS, RTS, and MMORPGs tend to have the most attention. Perhaps not so much anymore.

Anguille

03-17-2006, 01:53 AM

The Glory of the Roman Empire looks different to me (from the screenshots) with smaller settlements.
But yes...it's getting crowdy and i hardly believe this is only coincidence.

I'll buy: Caesar IV and The Glory of the Roman Empire.

Nakia

03-17-2006, 01:56 AM

While I will pre-order Ceasar IV I will wait to see what others think of the competing games.

FranR

03-17-2006, 05:52 AM

There will be several city building games based on Rome, yes ... but there is only one Caesar series :D

Although I discovered the joy of city building not too long ago by trying a Ceasar's III demo, it's the game that got me started in the series and I have added quite a few after that.

I liked Caesar III, I liked CotN, so no doubt I will like Caesar IV.

As for the other rome based city builder games, all I know is what's posted on gamespot, but may have a peek.

Agamemnus

03-17-2006, 08:08 PM

They should buy those other companies.

phred

03-17-2006, 11:04 PM

What I don't get about that Glory of Rome game is why would your first screenshots of a Roman city building game be of small villages in the desert?
I mean, come on - palm trees and the desert? Surely they can do better than that with a Q3 2006 release date. I didn't see much in those screenshots that even looked Roman.
I'll be sticking with C4.

Agamemnus

03-19-2006, 01:47 PM

"Show of hands" -- tell me your number -- how many of these companies actually did some research to find out whether other quite similar games would be coming out in the same time period?

PCDania

03-19-2006, 01:52 PM

"Show of hands" -- tell me your number -- how many of these companies actually did some research to find out whether other quite similar games would be coming out in the same time period?
I think they all did but you forget one thing. Research for a new game often starts 1-2 years before it's made public what a developer is working on. I guess at least half the gaming industry knows that people have been screaming for Caesar 4 for at least 4 years...

King Faticus

03-19-2006, 03:42 PM

I think they all did but you forget one thing. Research for a new game often starts 1-2 years before it's made public what a developer is working on. I guess at least half the gaming industry knows that people have been screaming for Caesar 4 for at least 4 years...

And with the recently renewed interest in the Roman empire (atleast in florida)

timonb

04-19-2006, 02:33 PM

It's quite obvious that there are suddenly several Roman games. The TV serie Rome was quite a success, well at least here in the Netherlands.

I truly like the idea of getting more Roman based games. I am looking forward to Caesar IV, to Sid Meier's Civ City, to Glory of Rome etc etc.

I truly hope there will be some more aspects of CotN in Caesar IV. What I liked was that you walked as Pharaoh around your kingdom. The only thing the Pharaoh had no use, so they should put some use for a royal dude into the game.

Kind regards,

Timon

Xullius

05-28-2006, 08:29 AM

I thought there would be just one city building game named Caesar IV, but two days ago I found out that there was a second coming.
Now I'm browsing this tilted mill forum and I see two more 'Rome based games' are coming out :cool:, you guys should have said nothing about these competitors :D, for me....the chance of buying C4 is lesser :p

I'm just kidding :p ,I'm going to buy Caesar IV anyway because it looks the most promising city building game of the 4 (and I played Caesar III a lot).

I will probably receive a beta version of 'Glory of the Roman Empire' later this day of a friend of mine, I'm very curious.

Hibernian

05-28-2006, 08:41 AM

The Ceasar series were always 'long-haul' successes anyway, so I wouldn't be too concerned. People are still buying C2 and C3 pretty much a decade on - a marathon length of shelf time where computer games are concerned. I'm sure that TM and VUG are aware of this and won't be sweating to get the number 1 slot for Christmas!

Need_Help

05-28-2006, 09:33 AM

This is never mind, it is not so interesting but CivCity:Rome maybe will take away some of the C4 buyer because it just like Civ game+Stronghold+CB games, so it has the style of Civ game, like stronghold can zoom-in buildings and can play like CB games.Maybe there is also a tech tree something like Civ game.

Thanks:)

Jodet

05-28-2006, 11:24 AM

MarkDuffy

05-28-2006, 01:37 PM

Excellent point, Jodet! :)

I would predict people will buy multiple games, or each in order of their preferences, but ultimately buy more rather than less.

Why people think that this is an either/or question astounds me.

This is why Eternal Vigilence is so very critical to a game's success. Patches, Enhancements & especially additional downloaded missions.

And then an EXPANSION, but not one quickly. Patches are for quickly. Expansion is for after the game has been out for awhile & feedback from the gaming community has occured.

:)

Keith

05-28-2006, 02:21 PM

Actually there are 4 games, Caesar IV, CivCity: Rome, Heart of the Roman Empire, and Glory of the Roman Empire. Civ Rome and GOTRE are due out this spring or early summer. C4 is due late summer, HOTRE is due during the winter.

Phil Walker

05-28-2006, 02:59 PM

Not to mention some of us won't get all of them and it's not an either/or as Mark noted. I ONLY want C4. Sid's games are always good, but I'll pass on this one of his. I have other priorities and many of what I really like are not CBs, although I wish a "blend" of CB was more prominent in them. Rome-based is also not my "fancy" as the Medieval setting is, so I'll shop Medieval first but do want to include C4, but none other and I don't mean just for now.

Sincerely,
Phil

Need_Help

05-28-2006, 08:19 PM

I think the most people will buy on this 4 Roman CB game will be:
1.Caesar 4
2.CivCity:Rome
3.Glory Of The Roman Empire
4.Heart of the Roman Empire
CivCity:Rome and C4 has its special feature and this 2 game company is quite big, famous and their game also not bad.CivCity:Rome can just like the Stronghold which can zoom into an building and see what are them doing.C4....quite famous since the Caesar 1 and it also has its style.GOTRE and HOTRM not so famous and the graphics.....not as good as CivCity:Rome and C4 and as I know, they don't have any special features.

Thanks:)

Keith

05-28-2006, 09:18 PM

I posted a poll on which game or games people are interested in about a week ago:

Which of these are you going to get? (http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8665)

Need_Help

05-28-2006, 09:22 PM

My guess matched the poll result....Actually the Ancient Wars is not famous and I also don't know there is a game like this.Only 1 person vote on it.

Thanks:)

startrekempress

06-02-2006, 08:52 AM

I remember when the GalCiv people were concerned because their game was coming out about the same time MOO3 did. Turned out the increased interest in the genre worked out pretty good for them.

Maybe the same thing will happen here. I know there are loyal CIV fans, and loyal City-Builders fans, so maybe both games will be a success. (It's just my opinion, but I think the 'Glory' game is not going to be in the same league as C4 and the Sim-City:Rome).

-M

Sure, like me! I am the proud owner of Pharaoh/Cleopatra, Emperor, and Zeus/Poseidon (does anybody play those?), and now CotN. I also have Civ's II, III, and IV, with all the expansions, and I play all of them regularly. I plan on asking for both CivCity and C4 this year. Thank heaven for fall birthdays. ;) I'd also love to ask for the Civ4 epxansion, but 3 games in one year might be a bit much ... well, to mom, anyway. *plots ahead for Christmas*

~Sarah

Phil Walker

06-02-2006, 09:17 AM

Well Sharon,

I have all you do save for the Civ. 3 and 4 expansions and MANY more.. I'm a bit more selective though as Rome is not my setting, but C4 I will get. My B-Day just past a bit ago, and I received one addition (so far as gifts from all of family not yet received), but I've received as many as 3 as gifts and bought 5 for a total of 8 in one year. So, keep plotting and saving and good luck! I even have the past Caesars (save the first) and I do still play Emperor, BTW.

Sincerely,
Phil

Hibernian

06-02-2006, 12:19 PM

Playing Emperor myself at the moment as well Phil. Don't remember it being as addictive!

Phil Walker

06-02-2006, 01:23 PM

Yes, if China is one's "fancy" VERY addictive. However, not my reason. I keep up on it as I also do some scenario beta bests for Gwello and am in process of one now. :D

Sincerely,
Phil

Need_Help

06-02-2006, 07:17 PM

There is only a few CB game on ancient China.Actually China have many emperors.The most famous is the Qin emperor who built the Great Wall.Other than that, the "underground army".But not many developers want to make the game on the Ancient China.

Thanks:)

Phil Walker

06-02-2006, 08:55 PM

Keith

06-05-2006, 02:13 PM

I was just looking at the video of CivCity Rome at IGN that I didn't know they had posted. Just from that short little clip it looks quite impressive.

http://media.pc.ign.com/media/818/818085/vid_1523689.html

If you have a Flash Video capable player you can download the file below and play it locally. VLC Media Player (www.videolan.org (http://www.videolan.org)) will play FLV files.

Need_Help

06-05-2006, 08:20 PM

Maybe not many in YOUR eye, but you obviously don't know those at Emperor Heaven (where Gwello is on staff). Emperor is not solely a game of Empire building but CITY building and Gwello's scenarios are almost always set in a historic time and have historic aspects. CBs for the most part are for cities NOT empires, so your opinion on this is not valid. You will find Empire building in RTS and other such war-type games as they are based on conquest, where CBs are not.

Sincerely,
Phil

I am talking on CB games and NOT empire building game.The emperor's name maybe can be the title like Caesar also a emperor's name.If you compare on the CB game with China, Roman, Modern and you will get this result.
1. Roman & Modern
2. China
Only this year the Roman CB game already added 3 more games and next year also got 1 game.Only this month Modern CB game already added another 1 game.The Ancient China CB game didn't have andy new game until now.

Thanks:)

dorn

02-08-2007, 09:58 AM

New Info on the last of the 4 new CBs settled in Roman Times- Heart of Empire: Rome is now officially ceased/adjusted!!

The release was originally planned for Mid2006 and then for Spring2007, but today the developer Paradox Interactive said, that they will focus on a very new game in 2007/2008 and Heart of Empire will not be developed any further.

To me personally it doesn't matter, cos i didn't like the idea anyway...

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Anguille

02-08-2007, 10:31 AM

Actually it's a shame...

Every game that stops is a sad story. To me, that kind of game is a piece of art and when you consider the hours/months/years of work invested here...:(

Plus, this game would have, if i understood well, focused on Rome only which would have made the game different....oh well

bexgames

02-08-2007, 02:56 PM

Need_Help

02-08-2007, 07:24 PM

I think they stopped making the game because they don't have a good planning when they decided to make the game. There are many games stopped 'half-way' and I'm sure that they wasted a lot of money and time when they stopped a game. I agree with what bexgames said, too many similar game come out in a year will make the selling drop, and people will think of 'Roman CB game again?'. Now I'm hoping for emperor 2 (or other civilization games, but not Roman and Ancient Egypt again) with more new features (especially the combat mode. I think we should be able to declare war, and conquer the city as 'sub-city' that we can't control, but we can provide something to it to make it grow)

Thanks :)

wodinoneeye

02-08-2007, 08:58 PM

I love a good game no matter what, and I feel really bad for the people who worked hard and put their heart and soul into it...but do we really need another Roman game?? honestly??

That's probably why they stopped. Public has been inundated with Rome. For awhile anyway.
Let's try somewhere else.

Ive mentioned the game before that could be a bigger hit than all the rest of them combined. It would be a Roman equivalent of Grand Theft Auto and would be called :

Nero, Thug in Purple (the wild wacky mayhem adventures of Rome best known bad boy......)

An alternate title might be 'Death Race 63AD'

TM could actually recycle their C4 assets and create this game on the cheap and make a profit.......

Pharaoh Pepy

02-09-2007, 07:45 PM

I think it was Koch Media who made the decision. Paradox Entertainment were to be a publisher for North America. The developers Deep Red had done well with Tycoon City New York. The chance to steer Rome itself, both city and its politics was of more than a little interest. Sad:( .