battles

[craigmason]

will there be battles in Caesar IV ?

[Keith]

Probably, but not on the scale you saw in games like Rome Total War. From the way I understand the info made public so far, all battles will take place on the same map as your city, and any foreign battles will be handled just like the old games, where you dispatch your troops and hope for the best as they leave the map screen. The military is supposed to be a little more beefed up over Caesar III's model, but I wouldn't expect too much.

[MarkDuffy]

will there be battles in Caesar IV ?

There had better be, Craig!

TM promises Combat!

:)

[Need_Help]

Probably, but not on the scale you saw in games like Rome Total War. From the way I understand the info made public so far, all battles will take place on the same map as your city, and any foreign battles will be handled just like the old games, where you dispatch your troops and hope for the best as they leave the map screen. The military is supposed to be a little more beefed up over Caesar III's model, but I wouldn't expect too much.
I also never play a foreign battle because i dont know how to dispatch my troops to the empire map in C3.Of course, if the C4 battle can take over other peoples' place is good and we can look for the empire to grow(if can take over the whole world is good:) ).But if I had not mistaken, I saw on the other post says that the military is like the old one(just like keith said).Anyways, im waiting for C4 since December 2005(which is the 1st time I saw C4 will coming soon) and waiting for its demo.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

I also never play a foreign battle because i dont know how to dispatch my troops to the empire map in C3.Of course, if the C4 battle can take over other peoples' place is good and we can look for the empire to grow(if can take over the whole world is good:) ).But if I had not mistaken, I saw on the other post says that the military is like the old one(just like keith said).Anyways, im waiting for C4 since December 2005(which is the 1st time I saw C4 will coming soon) and waiting for its demo.

Thanks:)

You can use the military advisor to dispatch the troops to "distant battles" in C3. Just select the legions you want to send, then click on the dispatch button to send them on their way. The troops will leave the map and you can track them on the Empire map as they move towards the battle. It is wise to send at least three legions of decent morale. Don't send green untested troops. The auxiliary cavalry is your weakest force, I don't even use them in my own cities. I only create legionaries and javelin troops.

If you send a good force, in time, and they help win the battle you get to build a triumphal arch, which is an appeal item and helps raise the appeal of the area it is constructed in.

[Need_Help]

Thanks for your reply.But sometimes even the bar on each troop reaches full also lose the battle, why is it??Am I use the wrong troop to fight?? Or it is too strong for me??

Thanks:)

[Keith]

You are probably sending the wrong troops to the battle. Don't bother with cavalry at all. They are the weakest troops. Legionaries and javelins are the ones you want.

If I have six forts I'll usually have 3 or 4 legionairies and 2 or 3 javelin. In the even of a distant battle I'll send at least two legions of legionaries and at least one or two javelins with them. It depends on whether or not I can expect a invasion of my city, a quick check of the empire map will show any approaching enemy.

They must arrive in time also. So you have to dispatch these troops to a distant battle usually within the first couple of months of receiving the request for troops.

If you really want to ensure a victory, you want a major blessing from Mars before they are dispatched. There is a blessing from Mars that will protect your troops in distant battles. Such a blessing is not necessary if you have good strong troops with high morale and send a large enough force to do the job.

Like I said, I send no less than three legions, more, if the enemy is particulary fierce, like the celts.

[Need_Help]

Everytime i have both troops 2 and i send both to the war but sometimes it still lose the battle.And one thing is i hope that C4 can build more than 6 forts(maybe 10) because sometimes not enough for me to defend if the enemies come from 2 sides or more.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

I think we've seen the end of the 6-fort-limit. It has been mentioned that the military has been beefed up somewhat, and I'm guessing that means a larger force can be assembled than in the past games.

In some of the C3 distant battles you have to send a large force. Sarminzegatusa usually demands a good sized force when battles take place there as distant battles. You better send all but one of your forts.

[Need_Help]

I hope it will have more than 6 forts to build and will it have the navy war inside?? Maybe they added some enemies come from sea or pirates( I am not very clear about roman history so I dont know whether they have water troops or battle ships)

Thanks:)

[Keith]

The Romans did have a Navy, but they were not as strong on the sea as they were on land. The Roman Empire was a land empire first of all.

I suggested that they give us a navy and let of fight naval battles in the suggestions board, but here again it's something that hasn't been talked about by TM.

If you like the idea of fighting ancient naval battles you should take a look at the game "Rise and Fall Civilizations at War." I've been playing the demo and the naval battles in that game promise to be something special. The limited naval fighting in the demo has been a lot of fun. You can ram ships and capture them with grappling hooks and troops, or use the corvus ramp.

[Need_Help]

If I had not mistaken this game has 4 ancient civilizations to choose from which is roman, persian, greek, and egyptian to choose from and I saw it on gamespot a few days ago.It looks fun but I havent tried yet.I think I will try it after my exam (15 may 2006-25 May 2006).Thanks for your recommend.I think i saw someone has the picture of roman battle ship in the suggestio forum.Anyways, I hope it is still not too late to add in this naval war before it release.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

If I had not mistaken this game has 4 ancient civilizations to choose from which is roman, persian, greek, and egyptian to choose from and I saw it on gamespot a few days ago.It looks fun but I havent tried yet.I think I will try it after my exam (15 may 2006-25 May 2006).Thanks for your recommend.I think i saw someone has the picture of roman battle ship in the suggestio forum.Anyways, I hope it is still not too late to add in this naval war before it release.

Thanks:)

Yes, they are Roman, Persian, Egyptian and Greek civs. Each has a specific hero or heros that you play as in the FPS mode, but in general the game is played mostly from the strategic overhead god's-eye mode like most RTS games.

The demo has to portions of the game to play, the demo mission where you must fight a roman legion capture a ship, then invade and destroy a roman occupied city. The other is the skirmish mode, where you play as one egyptian civ against another with cleopatra as your civ's hero. You have to resource gather wood and gold. Fight off a third party force to capture more gold an finally invade the enemy city and destroy it all the while raising your heros skill levels via combat and construction of things like a temple and winning glory.

There is the ability to fight sea battles in both the demo and skirmish missions. Check out the E3 video of R&F in the E3 Trailer Video List (http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8532) thread. The one with R&F is post #10 (http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96260&postcount=10) in that thread. You can find other vidoe trailers and screenshots on their official website (http://www.riseandfallgame.com/).

[Need_Help]

Thanks for your quick reply.Another thing is, how do you think CivCity:Rome will be??I think it is something like civilisation+city building+stronghold so I think they can capture other people's place and have better technologies when the time pasts.But one thing is, is it dont have road inside the game??

Thanks:)

[Keith]

I'm keeping an eye on CivCity Rome. I can't tell too much about the game yet. The videos didn't reveal much and their interviews haven't said much out of the ordinary yet.

I have not been a fan of their Civilization series at all. I found them profoundly boring. I'll wait until there is more available on CivCity Rome before I make up my mind for sure.

There is also "The Glory of the Roman Empire" coming out by CDV. I have been less impressed by this one than any of the others so far.

[Need_Help]

I just tried Civilisation IV and it is quite boring and a single game needs much time to finish it.But what I mean is it maybe looked like civilisation 4 when it goes to the empire map and can see the border line of the empire and when you attack a place you can capture it.If I had not mistaken it needs you to choose the place where you start building your empire just like what in civilisation 4.But until now, I dont know what is it looks like and its homepage is nothing other then just 3 screenshots.It dont have either FAQ, forums, trailer and other thing in the homepage so we all dont know what is it and how is the gameplay.But I think we can get more information for that game on gamespot or ign.

I think The Glory of Roman Empire is not better than either C4 or CivCity:Rome because it dont have anything special like I think CivCity:Rome has its dictionary or encyclopedia or something else about the roman history or technologies like civilisation and C4 has its own gameplay like C3 that is good graphic, mission... but I think The Glory of Roman Empire dont have roads in the game which is not the city building game for me because roads have many uses like plan your city, look better....So I think I dont need that game because it dont have something special other than that attracts me

Thanks:)

[Keith]

I only beta tested the Conquerors expansion for Civ III. I uninstalled it all right after the beta test.

R&F is fun, but it's mostly a wargame, with very little citybuilding as we know it. You do construct buildings like barracks, stables, archery range, town center, religious shrines as well as towers, walls, gates, etc. But there aren't any roads as we use them. A path appers between town centers when you build more than one.

[Need_Help]

So it just like the famous game Command & Conquer by Westwood and have many C&C series after that and the newest is the C&C Tiberian War. It is a strategy game which is build your base (like you said) and can make unlimited army depends on you if you want to attack other people.So maybe the C4 can become something like city building and sometimes attack people to take over a place because I think it is better than just defend and we can make the empire larger (maybe we start on a little city and attack other people to make it larger) or we can attack other people to make our city larger and can divide it into a few parts so that it wont make the game slow for loading the game on the low spec computer.

Thanks:)

[Need_Help]

There is a Tiberian War or called as C&C 3 which is announced on April this year by EA Games.I dont know whether they will build the game because they also announced to build Red Alert 3 just 2 or 3 years ago.

You can check it here in Planet CnC
http://planetcnc.gamespy.com/
and you look on the left on top, there is called C&C3.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

So it just like the famous game Command & Conquer by Westwood and have many C&C series after that and the newest is the C&C Tiberian War. It is a strategy game which is build your base (like you said) and can make unlimited army depends on you if you want to attack other people.So maybe the C4 can become something like city building and sometimes attack people to take over a place because I think it is better than just defend and we can make the empire larger (maybe we start on a little city and attack other people to make it larger) or we can attack other people to make our city larger and can divide it into a few parts so that it wont make the game slow for loading the game on the low spec computer.

Thanks:)

Yes, it's like those in the RTS mode. The only difference here is that you as a player can drop into the battles in the first person "hero mode" and fight with the troops.

The skirmish mode may be a little more hectic than the normal mssion mode as in the demo mission where there is much fighting and very little resource gathering...some but not a lot.

[Need_Help]

Sorry that I had a typing error that it is not Tiberian War but called Tiberium Wars.You can check it on the like below:
http://pc.ign.com/articles/705/705757p1.html
and
http://www.ea.com/official/cc/cc3/us/release.jsp

[Need_Help]

So R&F is a bit like Warcraft+C&C and become a mixed function of strategy game??

Thanks:)

[Keith]

C&C 3 got good mentions in many of the E3 reports. I'm not normally a fan of this type of game, but the demo for R&F has been fun so far.

Another series of games that is similar to the C&C is the old Ground Control and Ground Control 3 series. In fact you can get a free download of the original Ground COntrol game, LEGALLY. Massic Entertainment is offering it as freeware over bit torrent file sharers. It iis a 480MB download. It's an old game so don't expect current day graphics.

Details: http://www.massive.se/NewsArticle.asp?id=1065

Currently Massive is developing their latest game "World in Conflict" for Vivendi Universal Games. You can view some of the trailers at IGN (http://www.massive.se/NewsArticle.asp?id=1065) and Gamespot (javascript:videoplayerpop('6150846','932462','e32 006_live')) (about halfway down the video list) or from the VUG FTP server where they have the teaser trailer (http://ftp.vugames.com/vug/worldinconflict/other/) posted.

I posted some screenshots I took from the E3 stage show video (the in the Gamespot link) and posted them on Yahoo (http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kheitmann1/album?.dir=/a2eere2&.src=ph&.tok=phfyz2EB5fVVBgtF). The shots are fuzzy because they were made from a video made on the floor with a video camera and the focus kept coming in and going out. It shows a game in progress from the Soviet side and ends with the town getting nuked.

[Need_Help]

Is that the screenshot you taken in Yahoo is Ground Control??Its graphic is not bad but the only thing I worried is it will lag during playing bacause of the graphic when you attack or bomb something.

Thanks:)

[Need_Help]

If you go to planet C&C you can see that EA lies to us of the Red Alert 3 but they build the C&C3(which is related to Tiberian Sun)but the game I hope they make is Red Alert 3 because Red Alert series is better than Tiberian.Keith also tells me that there is a game similar to C&C called Ground Control(I think it is fully 3D).Anyways, if we can capture the place in C4 is good because we can make the empire bigger and BIGGER.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

Is that the screenshot you taken in Yahoo is Ground Control??Its graphic is not bad but the only thing I worried is it will lag during playing bacause of the graphic when you attack or bomb something.

Thanks:)

No, those were screenshots take of World in Conflict. They are poor quality due to the source video, but show the game in play.

Here's a better link to the streaming video link for the E3 Stage Show for WiC. http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/worldinconflict/media.html?sid=6150846&autoplay=6150846

[Need_Help]

So Ground Control still dont have images yet??Because their homepage is almost nothing other than the words.I cant see the graphic of the game very clear because the images are very small so it is quite ok when I see it on that size.Not so bad just can imagine the game.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

There is Ground Control II (http://www.groundcontrol1.com/) with its own official website that you can check out.

I think we kind of wandered off topic. We better get back on track. ;)

[Need_Help]

There is Ground Control II (http://www.groundcontrol1.com/) with its own official website that you can check out.

I think we kind of wandered off topic. We better get back on track. ;)
I also noticed it when it is on the time we talking R&F and go to C&C.But I also noticed that we cant capture places in C4 if I dont have mistake.If they add in this feature, I think more people will like to have it because it can be a city building game or a strategy game.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

I think that we will be able to launch attacks against another city, we just won't be able to control the battle, if I read that part right in one preview.

[Need_Help]

What happen after we win the battle??Will our city become larger or it is just our land but not controlled by us and not making our city bigger???Then we just win and get a building and gain experience??If it is then it is not worth to attack other people.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

We don't know for sure yet. In Caesar III you got to build a triumphal arch if you won a distant battle.

We don't know what happens to the city itself in Caesar IV yet.

We do know that the troops gain experience and morale by winning battles in Caesar IV.

In Emperor, if you won, they became your "vassal" and they had to pay you yearly tribute and come to your aid when summoned when you are attacked or if you decide to attack more cities on the map.

[Need_Help]

I like the idea of Emperor added in C4 so that we can earm more money and maybe we have some generals in our military team become the owner for that area so that they like you more and the team they use become stronger and easier to win during a war.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

The game itself takes place during the Roman Empire, by that time the generals no longer paid their troops themselves and all lands belonged to the emperor. So I don't believe their are going to go against history on that score in Caesar IV.

You'll be playing as the governor of your province with the power to make all the decisions needed to run it just like the old games.

I think that wining battles and improving your troops skills and morale will be what we are going to see.

[Need_Help]

I also think that they dont have big changes on the military in C4 just like C3 because if I dont have mistake, they say that their aim is at city building game not military game so the improven is aim at the city building and other graphic effect.And the other thing is, can you tell me how to turn off the annoying god in C3 because it makes a lot of trouble to be when i dont have the money to build temple for them and they make trouble when i am poor like enemy come, destroy crop, citizens hate me...all makes me cant play the game and the empire ends.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

There has been more interest in a stronger military in Caesar IV, but the game will remain a citybuilder first and always.

Caesar IV will also have the same dual path like Caesar III, where you can play either a peaceful campaign path or a military and more dangerous campaign path.

[Need_Help]

If they dont make us can capture palces, maybe they can make a Caesar 5 or an expension because it seems like many people (include me) hope that it has the military gameplay like rome total war.I've check rome total war but its graphic is not so good enough but the gameplay seems interesting.So maybe you can add this feature inside so that it is more beautiful and we can see the scene that the army attack which is so nice.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

I thought the graphics in Rome Total War was pretty good. I have the game, although I don't have it currently installed.

Rise & Fall seems very similar to RTW graphically speaking. We won't know what Caesar IV will actually look like until we get our hands on it.

[Need_Help]

I look on the screenshots of rome total war and i dont have it but the graphic is not so detailed and smooth.C4 is better.So as I said,if they add in this feature it will be very nice because C4 has better graphic and it become other than only build your city.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

The cities in RTW are just scenery. They are not as detailed in appearance as as those of Caesar IV because they don't really have any function other than providing a place to attack.

[Need_Help]

As I said, it is not fully detailed in rome total war so if it has this feature in C4 then it will be better than just a city building game that same as others.So if it has this feature, it is different as the others.The Glory of the Roman Empire is the example of the city building game that dont have any special feature.So it is not so famous.

[Anguille]

but I think The Glory of Roman Empire dont have roads in the game which is not the city building game for me because roads have many uses like plan your city, look better....So I think I dont need that game because it dont have something special other than that attracts me

Thanks:)

As far as i know, you can build roads in Glory of the Roman Empire, even if you don't actually need them.

[Need_Help]

Sorry that I had put the wrong game and the game that dont have roads is heart of empire rome.This game's graphic of the buildings is nice but it is also not famous.The Glory of the Roman Empire is also nice but the buildings are not the real in Roman because there is a building looks like amphitheatre but also looks like garden which is just imagine out the building and not the real one.If I had not mistaken, this 2 games didn't mentioned about the military force so it is not so popular and their publisher and developer also not very popular.

Thanks

[Anguille]

Haemimont, who is doing "glory of the Roman Empire", has published very good games in the past: Celtic Kings, Celtic Kings: Punic Wars and the great battles of Rome (only in Spain and Italy for the moment but already 1 mio copies sold). So they are not new and their games are good.
I've also seen a video of the game where you can see that you have to train soldiers and you can send them to conquer villages nearby or defend your city. All in all, i feel that's it's very different than Caesar IV as the cities seem smaller but you have a large area where you can conquer villages and so. Looks very good to me.

[Need_Help]

The building inside the glory of the roman empire is cartoonish(which is not looks like the real roman building) and they call it city building game which means that its main aimm is at the building not military.And I think it is a game like stronghold which is also conquer villages and also can build building and the only thing different form stronghold is, it has more buildings and it is on roman not the medieval time.

thanks:)

[Anguille]

The building inside the glory of the roman empire is cartoonish(which is not looks like the real roman building) and they call it city building game which means that its main aimm is at the building not military.And I think it is a game like stronghold which is also conquer villages and also can build building and the only thing different form stronghold is, it has more buildings and it is on roman not the medieval time.

thanks:)

Not exactly. In Glory of the roman empire, you cannot control your units directly like in Stronghold.

Cheers

[Hibernian]

The japanese pics that Keith revealed show soldiers in some dissarray. This was one aspect where I felt C3 did surpass COTN - the organisational capability of your troops. I hope TM don't drop this capability in C4 - dang it, but that 'turtle' was just cute!:D

[Keith]

The japanese pics that Keith revealed show soldiers in some dissarray. This was one aspect where I felt C3 did surpass COTN - the organisational capability of your troops. I hope TM don't drop this capability in C4 - dang it, but that 'turtle' was just cute!:D

It wasn't really a testudo that we had in Caesar III. The game Praetorian had a accurate testudo formation.

I'm sure at some point Roman battles broke down into some sort of disarray even only if it was for a short time. The Roman advantage was their ability to hold and fight in formation, but there were probably times where the formation broke down.

I just hope that the combat movements of the characters are NOT the old "Itchy & Scratchy" fighting animations of old and have more natural movementson the order of RTW and R&F characters.

[Need_Help]

Until now we still not very clear about the military force inside C4.Many people hope that there will be more improven on the military like new troops, navy war...But they don't give us more information on it.So everyting just can be HOPE or GUESS(I'm just like repeating this word:D)and we can only know it when the game release which is about 3 months time from now.

Thanks:)

[Anguille]

No control of units = NOT worth getting! No more to say other than we are getting WAY off-topic :eek: :rolleyes: :eek: !!! This is about battles in C4.

Sincerely,
Phil




Sure...

Still don't know what kind of control we'll have in C4. What GotRE offers would be enough for me i guess (you order specific attacks and see your army move).

[Keith]

I said it before, I'd love a battle screen mode on the order of the one in Caesar II, but from the bits of info given to us so far I can assume that we are not going to see that. It looks like all battles involving other cities are going to be off-map just like games of the series after Caesar II.

They haven't said how much control we are going to have in the on-map battles however. So far we have the general impression from comments made by those that have seen the early builds of the game that the military is going to be beefed up somewhat. How much we don't know.

[Need_Help]

I had not played C2 before and I only played C1 and C3.Is the C2 battle screen looked like C1??If not, anyone can tell me about it??And until now still don't have any screenshot or video showing the military force of C4.I hope that they can at least give 1 picture of the battle screen to us.

Thanks

[Anguille]

This is how Caesar II battles look like...;)

http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8624&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1148051996

[Need_Help]

Thanks for your quick reply and a screenshot of C2.Is this the war outside the city on the empire??From the screenshot, they have not only 6 troops and C3...limited on 6 troops which makes me lose on war.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

This is how Caesar II battles look like...;)

http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/original/979629203-00.gif

Unfortunately your source doesn't show the image. See my attachment.

[Need_Help]

I can't see any difference between your screenshot and Anguille's screenshot.Is it you can't see the screenshot??

[Hibernian]

Anguille's doesn't show it for me either, but Keith's does. You can see both N_H?

[Hibernian]

:o :o P.S. I didn't read properly and for a minute thought they were Battle screens from C4!!! I nearly died.:o :o

[Need_Help]

I can see both screenshots and they are same.

[Keith]

The screenshot he provided was a direct link from MobyGames.com and often other servers won't let you cross post images. They block them. All I see is that MOBY GAMES image in his post. See my attachment showing a screenshot. I downloaded the image from Moby Games and then attached it as a file attachment here.

If you see a white box that says MOBY GAMES in his original post then you are not seeing it either.

[Need_Help]

I can see the image is same as your image which means that I can see both images and not the word mobygames.

Thanks:)