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wodinoneeye
05-15-2006, 06:57 PM
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Egypt Monuments Endangered by Muslim Ruling?
National Geographic ^ | May 12, 2006 | Stefan Lovgren


Posted on 05/15/2006 2:06:18 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp


Egypt's Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa, the country's top Muslim religious authority, last month issued a religious ruling, or fatwa, condemning the display of statues in Egypt.


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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/egypt-fatwa.html?source=rss

MAX-1
05-16-2006, 02:56 AM
WOW,
Sounds similar to Taliban law that destroyed Buddha statues in Afghanistan.

Pharaoh Pepy
05-16-2006, 10:19 AM
A comment at the end makes it clear that the ruling is more aimed at Egypt's dictator and his flunkies. I think the statues are safe. If some Islamist did decide to wreck statues the tourist dependant locals would give him a swim in the Nile with a few concrete blocks tied to him, em, float.

Keith
05-16-2006, 10:37 AM
If Muslim religious zealots take over Egypt, I don't know. It seems like they might do it just to make a point of how dedicaded they are to their version of Islam.

Islam does not allow for the making of images of man, but there has to be some reason applied to the rule.

"History and culture be damned....statues must go!" seems to be their only concern. Never mind robbing their people of some of their cultural history. Besides, it's another way of sticking it to the infidel Western cultures that prize all that ancient statuary so much.

Radical Islam seems bent on keeping their people in the middle ages and under the thumb of the mullahs in charge. They are trashing the worldwide image of Islam as a great and peaceful religion all for their own personal power trip.

Hibernian
05-16-2006, 10:42 AM
Can't see Radicals taking over in Egypt without a second Suez War or somesuch. Britain, France, and this time the States as well, would never stand by while this happened. I'm sure Israel would have something to say about it too.

prof786
05-16-2006, 11:12 AM
i personally felt bad for what happened to the bamyan caves. that was such a bad call. but the taliban got what it deserved. and they thought public execution of women was okay. they do not speak for islam; they only think about themselves.

wodinoneeye
05-18-2006, 07:50 PM
i personally felt bad for what happened to the bamyan caves. that was such a bad call. but the taliban got what it deserved. and they thought public execution of women was okay. they do not speak for islam; they only think about themselves.


Unfortunately much of 'Islam' doesnt have the ability/inclination to condemn such acts. It would be better if they could eliminate/control their own fanatics, because it will be bery messy if others have to do it.

MarkDuffy
05-18-2006, 08:57 PM
From the National Geographic link...

The fatwa did not specifically mention statues in museums or public places. But many academics and art lovers were outraged.

From this link which I will not cover up so you can decide whether or not you want to click on it:

http://www.middle-east-online.com/English/?id=16142=16142&format=0

Fatwa against statues triggers uproar in Egypt

Egypt's Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa, the country's top Islamic jurist, issued the religious edict which declared as un-Islamic the exhibition of statues in homes, basing the decision on texts in the hadith (sayings of the prophet).

Snip

Gomaa has already put out a few contentious decrees and appears set to break his predecessor mufti Wasel's record on notorious fatwas.

Woody is trying to scare everyone...

prof786
05-18-2006, 09:59 PM
Unfortunately much of 'Islam' doesnt have the ability/inclination to condemn such acts. It would be better if they could eliminate/control their own fanatics, because it will be bery messy if others have to do it.

religion is a big sensitive matter all together. too many emotions conjoined with it. nothing good is coming out of it these days. a theocracy can still work if the right people are in power.

wodinoneeye
05-19-2006, 01:22 AM
religion is a big sensitive matter all together. too many emotions conjoined with it. nothing good is coming out of it these days. a theocracy can still work if the right people are in power.



'He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword'. Unfortunately Islam was founded based on the sword.....

prof786
05-19-2006, 04:34 AM
Unfortunately Islam was founded based on the sword.....

haven't heard that one before. clarify.

egypt pharaoh
05-19-2006, 05:59 AM
HI people!

I am still working on a scenario but i just can't understand something. If i have 21 farmers and 12 common shops how many luxury shops should i have?
I tried to balance the number of farmers, common and luxury shopkeepers but i noticed that some farmers are leaving their homes to become shopkeepers and this has result in dissatsfaction due to the limited food supplies.

egypt pharaoh
05-19-2006, 06:11 AM
I think this game differs a lot from the other city building games (Civilization simcity) since you don't just have to place a building but you must satissfy the needs of the residents .

I think games like COTN ccan vary greatly depending on what the player brings to the game(creativity, luck, skill)

Do you agree?

Keith
05-19-2006, 08:55 AM
HI people!

I am still working on a scenario but i just can't understand something. If i have 21 farmers and 12 common shops how many luxury shops should i have?
I tried to balance the number of farmers, common and luxury shopkeepers but i noticed that some farmers are leaving their homes to become shopkeepers and this has result in dissatsfaction due to the limited food supplies.

I never worry about the exact number. I build my farms and a set of four common shops near them. A short time later I check on the farms and if they are disastisfied by the lack of commonwares I'll add another set of common shops nearby. I let them work for a while and check again and so on. If the shops are always out of something and my farms are still short of that item you need more shops of that type until the demand drops and the satisfaction level rises.

wodinoneeye
05-20-2006, 03:18 AM
HI people!

I am still working on a scenario but i just can't understand something. If i have 21 farmers and 12 common shops how many luxury shops should i have?
I tried to balance the number of farmers, common and luxury shopkeepers but i noticed that some farmers are leaving their homes to become shopkeepers and this has result in dissatsfaction due to the limited food supplies.



luxury shops are used by elites (nobles priests overseers scribes etc..)

you should balance the number against the number of elites you have....

(I found that placing them next door to the elites helped alot in keeping the elites from wasting alot of time wandering looking for luxuries -- and disrupting the important work they do. Likewise bakeries in close proximity to elites...)

MarkDuffy
05-20-2006, 09:50 AM
I am still working on a scenario but i just can't understand something. If i have 21 farmers and 12 common shops how many luxury shops should i have?

None. Neither farmers nor common shops use lux shops.

Only Palace, Nobles & Educated Workers use lux shops.

I tried to balance the number of farmers, common and luxury shopkeepers but i noticed that some farmers are leaving their homes to become shopkeepers and this has result in dissatsfaction due to the limited food supplies.

The only reason you would have lux shops by your farmers is for Scribes. One set of lux shops by your Nobles. One set by farmers for Scribes. Perhaps another set by military section for Commanders.

Lots of common shops everywhere.

:)