Building Takes Time

[Need_Help]

Sorry of this if it had been discussed before or posted before.

In C4 will we have the chance to see building takes in-game time to build or it is just like C3(which is finished building when you press the mouse button).And what is this movie shows??(In the E3 06 Gameplay 2 movie)Is it the building takes time to build??Or the building is upgrading??And will the building have snow on top of the roof??(Because it looked like snowing, but im not sure whether it is snowing).

Thanks:)

E3 06 Gameplay 2 in pc.ign
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/766/766546/vids_1.html

[Keith]

Yes, it has been discussed, but needs to be reinforced. Most of us want to see the building being constructed. We don't want a click and place building style game, where fully constructed functional buildings just appear.

In CotN most of the buildings required bricks to be constructed and the construction took time. Plus you had to make the bricks. We are all hoping and half assuming that it will be like this in Caesar IV. Plus, we want large construction projects like building the colosseum, hippodrome and other notable Roman architectural wonders like the aqueducts, etc.

All we can do is keep our fingers crossed until they give us more info.

[Need_Help]

Did you saw the C4 trailer?? Is it snowing?? And I also have the same idea with you which is need time and building materials for the buildings.If they dont want it, maybe it has a option to switch it on and off.I like to see how is it being built and takes time to build because it is more realistic and wont be so boring when you need money or other reasons to wait.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

Yes, I've seen all the video trailers of Caesar IV so far. There will be weather in Caesar IV. One preview article mentioned that people will move more slowly when its raining.

I'm pretty sure that all buildings will require construction. The newest video pretty much confirms that by showing a patrician's home being constructed and evolving through various stages. I don't think they'll offer a off switch for construction. It's just one of those aspects of the game that one will have to accept.

[Need_Help]

The top of the roof will have snow or water if it is snowing or raining or it just like normal situation??Will it have seasons inside the game like if it is winter the leaves on the tree will drop and when it is snowing the grass will cover with snow and need workers to clean??Will it become so realistic or it just snowing and nothing changes??

Thanks:)

[Keith]

That's something we don't know yet. There is a lot of information that has not been released to the public about Caesar IV. It would be nice to see snow on the ground in northern climes of the empire though. Only time will tell.

[Need_Help]

Yea, maybe mountains have snows on top and during summer they can take the snows down to make their houses cooler(for the richer person or bigger house):D so that snows also got its uses.

Thanks:)

[Need_Help]

If the building takes time to build maybe some of them will disagree with it but at least big projects such as colosseum, hippodrome may take time to build because this is realistic.

Thanks:)

[prof786]

but we are not sure yet if there will be any major consrtuction in c4. it will be a good thing to have one, but we'll see. oh, and you're absolutely correct :D .

[Need_Help]

Do you see the movie on ign which i put the link above??It seems like the buildings take time to build and there is snow inside the game.As I said, if the snow will have on the roof of the building and grass covered with snow when it is snowing then is it wonderful.:D

Thanks:)

[prof786]

yes i saw the movie too. i think i also caught a glimpse of a building actually being constructed. looked almost like a piece of equipment unraveling itself. nice, dynamic effect.

[Need_Help]

Although it just build itself and we can't see any workers building it, but it is better than the C3 building style.It build itselg like other city building game such as Sim City....This is enough for me because if there is workers building it may let the game lag on lower soec computer.

Thanks:)

[prof786]

a worker will definitely go ahead, gather materials, and build the structure. that character must have been hidden from the game camera. but there will be a builder.

[Need_Help]

Maybe they need materials on every building in the city other than the few important building but I think they don't need the workers to build(maybe we can see it but not counted in the city employment, or the workers are the soldiers when there is no battle).This is not bad if we can use the soldiers to build buildings.

Thanks:)

[prof786]

in cotn, it is common practice for the future occupant to construct the structure. other times, a bricklayer does that job. construction in caesar4 might be along the lines as such.

[Need_Help]

Actually Caesar 4 is almost a mix of CoTN and Caesar 3.As I know, the new options for C4 is almost the same as the CoTN.So I hope it can be improved on the military force so that we can play a whole new caesar city building game.

Thanks:)

[prof786]

So I hope it can be improved on the military force so that we can play a whole new caesar city building game.

what are your expectations in this facet of the game?

[Need_Help]

Because the CB game is almost the same every where and the only thing it makes other people buy it is it have something different than other CB game.This topic is talking about the building takes time so it is going to off-topic.Until now still don't have any answer on this topic to sure that C4 takes time to build building.

Thanks:)

[prof786]

there will undoubtely be consequences for building structures in terms of wealth, time, manpower, resources, etc. enough said.

[Need_Help]

The question is do the buildings need materials to build(all include houses)And the other question is will there be some shops inside it because there is a screenshot in C4 website have something like stalls outside the building.Is it a market??If it is a market, then it has different shape and it is very tall.So what is it??

Thanks:)

[Keith]

From the looks of things all the buildings will require time to construct and most will probably require building materials. Other than that, we don't know for certain.

Most of us have guessed and agreed that the one building with the stalls is probably the market building.

[King Faticus]

Yes, I've seen all the video trailers of Caesar IV so far. There will be weather in Caesar IV. One preview article mentioned that people will move more slowly when its raining.
Im happy that somthing I wanted in the game is going to be in the game :D
well, even if I didn't suggest it they would have probably put it in anyways, but it's a nice feeling none the less.;) now what else did I want? oh yea DIAGONAL AQUEDUCTS!!!!:eek: :D :) big hint

I'm pretty sure that all buildings will require construction. The newest video pretty much confirms that by showing a patrician's home being constructed and evolving through various stages. I don't think they'll offer a off switch for construction. It's just one of those aspects of the game that one will have to accept.
I was keeping up on civcity rome for a while now (because it is the only real competition) and I read an interview, on some civilization fan site, with firefly about it. and I remember reading that ALL the buildings are instant builds exept wonders (I still think houses evolve):D :D It is VERY good news to me Ceasar IV is going to blow it away:)

[Need_Help]

From the looks of things all the buildings will require time to construct and most will probably require building materials. Other than that, we don't know for certain.

Most of us have guessed and agreed that the one building with the stalls is probably the market building.
I hope every building inside C4 need time to build and the only thing is why is it the market need so tall??and if all the buildings need materials, how we start the city??when people coming in and build their houses and for sure, that time haven't built any industry and the industrial building also need materials.Perhaps they give some materials on the start and maybe the materials for the basic houses need to take themselves and the villas need the materials like marble...

Thanks:)

[Hibernian]

If this is the case, and we don't know for sure yet, it would probably be a similar situation to COTN where one started with a certain number of bricks and bread. I'd imagine a very similar scenario in C4.

[MarkDuffy]

I have seen the old, medium & new images; along with the videos. I see no indication that buildings will be constructed.

I now conclude residences will have lots of people, evolve & devolve like the Stone Age CB games & buildings will be placed as complete.

So far, it looks like a C3 Clone in a COTN environment with HUGE improvements in full immersive TiltedVision like only TM can do it!

Unfortunately, I cannot find the People Tracking buttons & that worries me. I hope this still exists. We only have one image of a residence & it is an Estate. I do not see people windows & thus no "GoToPerson". I am not happy about these conclusions in this paragraph & definitely hope I am wrong.

That is fine with me & should make the C3 Cultists very happy.

:)

[Keith]

Before CotN was released, Gamespot had a simple video of a temple being built. It didn't show any workers at all just the building sort of rising piece by piece from the ground up until it was done.

In the newest Caesar IV video they show a patrician home evolving through various levels. It is very similar to the CotN video in that regard, in some of the frames you can see the rafter work of the next level going in before the next story of the house appears.

While I still can't be sure it looks like the home is going through various construction phases like the palace does in CotN.

[MarkDuffy]

In the newest Caesar IV video they show a patrician home evolving through various levels. It is very similar to the CotN video in that regard, in some of the frames you can see the rafter work of the next level going in before the next story of the house appears.

That is exactly the part I was referring to, Keith. It is the evolving graphics & not construction.

Every time a residence devolves, as in another part of the same or different video, it has to be constructed again?

Think about the implications of construction.

[Keith]

Emperor and CotN handled devolution by showing the building in a rundown state, They could do the the same, instead of making the building change size as it did in Caesar III.

[MarkDuffy]

Emperor and CotN handled devolution by showing the building in a rundown state, They could do the the same, instead of making the building change size as it did in Caesar III.

Evolving estates don't appear to take up more footprint. That is good, I think. Not sure. We will see when we get the final game.

There will still be construction of other things, I hope. No clue about this part.

I can't wait!

:)

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PS ~ While I'm on the subject... Notice all the FULL Storage Yards?

THAT'S ME !!!

More is ALWAYS better !!!

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[Need_Help]

If a building devolve, it could probably dont have all the things they need(like pottery, wine...)but why they need to construct a new lower class building instead of make the building old and dont have money to repair like the building very dirty, cracks on the wall...and finally before it collapse, they build a lower class building.I think this is better than just simply destroy the higher class house and build a lower class house and they also need to waste more money.If they do like what I say, they maybe dont need to devolve their house because sometimes it don't have enough pottery and after building more factory, they can give their need and dont need to waste money again to build a higher class building.

Thanks:)

[Hibernian]

Keith - "Emperor and CotN handled devolution by showing the building in a rundown state, They could do the the same, instead of making the building change size as it did in Caesar III."


COTN had a system much similar to this N_H. I hope it shows up in C4! :)

[Hibernian]

Just watched that Gamespot preview again. The camera doesn't revolve around the building as it goes up, so it is possible that there is a labourer on the other side of it, hammering away a la COTN. Plus it's played at very high speeds, so the building would natually look like it was unfolding, rather than being constructed.

[Keith]

COTN had a system much similar to this N_H. I hope it shows up in C4! :)

I did mentin CotN.

I would prefer that method over the buildings changing size and styles all the time as they did in C3 and Pharaoh.

A building doesn't get "un-built" just because of hard times, it gets neglected and disused.

[Hibernian]

For the benefit of others...:o

[Fresh]

Im happy that somthing I wanted in the game is going to be in the game :D
well, even if I didn't suggest it they would have probably put it in anyways, but it's a nice feeling none the less.;) now what else did I want? oh yea DIAGONAL AQUEDUCTS!!!!:eek: :D :) big hint


I was keeping up on civcity rome for a while now (because it is the only real competition) and I read an interview, on some civilization fan site, with firefly about it. and I remember reading that ALL the buildings are instant builds exept wonders (I still think houses evolve):D :D It is VERY good news to me Ceasar IV is going to blow it away:)

Funny, I draw the exact opposite conclusion. Gathering resources and having to wait for construction might be realistic, but it is very boring to say the least. Caesar 3 and Pharaoh are among my fav games of all time, CotN was a big disappointment for me, but when it was announced that Caesar 4 would be more like Caesar 3 then CotN compared Pharaoh, I wanted to give Caesar 4 a chance.

That said, I'll probably buy Caesar 4 regardless, but I have big hopes for CivCity as well.

[Need_Help]

If you don't want the building takes time to build, then I can suggest to let all the features have the option to switch on and off.This can let many people have their own choice to on or off it.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

I don't agree, of course. The need to gather the building materials is not boring. It doesn't take that long to do. Your problem more than likely was that you were probably always waiting on enough bricks, which means you probaby didn't build enough brickmakers and bricklayers.

[Need_Help]

So as I said, they can on or off on all the options.I also said before that if they need materials to build buildings, how they start it when we start the city and the first person to come here has no materials to build his family's house.So I think it is enough that it only needs time to build and maybe the important buildings need materials.

Thanks:)

[Keith]

I don't think there will be an option to turn off the construction animation, it's not that important of a feature to have one.

[Agamemnus]

Personally, I think it should take a bit of time, but it should not be as long and complicated as in CoTN. Many times the builders were extremely inefficient.... (I stand by this statement!... and also that similar one I made a few months ago)

[Keith]

I think that the majority of us that have played CotN, especially, want things to be built instead of just having a building appear after a click on the map. The instant-building is too old fashioned for a game nowadays, IMHO.

[MarkDuffy]

I think that the majority of us that have played CotN, especially, want things to be built instead of just having a building appear after a click on the map. The instant-building is too old fashioned for a game nowadays, IMHO.

Exactly! :)

[Need_Help]

But I suggest it and I never played CotN before and I don't know there is a game called CotN and never heard before until I saw C4 and go to TM and finally, I saw it.

Thanks:)

[MarkDuffy]

But I suggest it and I never played CotN before and I don't know there is a game called CotN and never heard before until I saw C4 and go to TM and finally, I saw it.

How did you get on this forum? :eek:

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$17.99 with 24 hour shipping. I just got two.

:)

[Hibernian]

Why don't you send him one of yours MD? C'mon - spread the wealth!:D :D

[Need_Help]

I come to this site at December 2005 when I was searching something about C3 and I saw there is a C4 coming soon, so I click it and now....I am here.Maybe I will try CotN later after the C4 to see whether it is very similar.

Thanks:)

[King Faticus]

I come to this site at December 2005 when I was searching something about C3 and I saw there is a C4 coming soon, so I click it and now....I am here.Maybe I will try CotN later after the C4 to see whether it is very similar.

Thanks:)
That's exactly how I ended up here, then I bought CotN.:)

[Hibernian]

I remember just browsing through a shop with an extra few bob in the pocket, saw COTN and said I'd give it a go. I didn't even realise the connection to Impressions! One of my best chance buys.:)

[MarkDuffy]

Why don't you send him one of yours MD? C'mon - spread the wealth!:D :D

Ain't NO way in Hell! :p

I give advice, not my games! I need extra copies cuz I have already trashed one copy of COTN. :D

:)

[Hibernian]

Just how exactly do people manage to do that?!? :rolleyes: I've got demo CD's that are almost ten years old! Do ye use them to butter ye're sandwiches?:D

[MarkDuffy]

Just how exactly do people manage to do that?!? :rolleyes: I've got demo CD's that are almost ten years old! Do ye use them to butter ye're sandwiches?:D

It has something to do with knocking a stack of jewel cases off my computer table (No not a desk ~ too small). I don't stack them anywhere near my keyboard, notes & phone area any longer. :D

The one inch crack in the center of my Original still can be used to recognize the game & load (after a few seconds), but I seriously doubt I can install from it any longer. Keeping it just in case. ;)