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10-10-2006, 05:07 PM
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Performance is Poor
My problem is in the thread's title.
The game doesn't run smooth, I can't rotate view smoothly, scrolling is greatly delayed and jumpy. And that is at minimum video settings (800x something) with no buildings on the map. The game is not playable. I've got a 2.4 GHz Pentium, 1 GB RAM with a GeForce FX5600 (128 MB). Ideas? Here is the beginning of my DX Diag, since the forum won't let me post the full file: Quote:
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#3
10-10-2006, 06:02 PM
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Welcome to the forum Manarak
 Two things I can see is that your video card is below minimim specs for the game as the game was tested on the Geforce 6000 and 7000 series. Also you may want to enlarge your pagefile to double the amount of ram you have i.e. to 2048 instead. The demo ran fine on my 6600GT, I now have a 7600GT Geforce graphics card and the full game runs well on that. Do you have enough space on your harddrive which C4 is installed on? The game needs 2GB to install and I believe 15% free space on your harddrive is recommended after the game is installed. All the best and good luck.
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#4
10-10-2006, 06:03 PM
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You may want to reduce all the in-game graphic settings to minimums or off on the video menu. Then try the game, then turn them back on one by one and raise one of the sliders a little at a time one by one until you start to have problems. More than likely you do want to leave shadows turned OFF.
Last edited by Keith; 10-10-2006 at 09:42 PM.
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#5
10-11-2006, 01:20 AM
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Thank you for the replies, but I wrote that I am already at minimum settings.
2GB install, 15% free on HD - all fine. I even defragmented. The thing that remains is the pagefile (Swap) - I got 1,75 MB now for it. will adding 250 MB really change something? How can it be that my video card is below minimum specs, if the minimum specs say: Quote:
I expect the game will run OK with minimum specs at the minimum settings - which it does not!
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10-11-2006, 06:02 AM
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It's not without reason the refresh rate is part of the TCO 99 Certification Standard for monitors. Personally I have to run CRT monitors at atleast 85Hz else I get a headache. At 60Hz I also get dizzy and nauseated (or what it's called) within half an hour. Last edited by PCDania; 10-11-2006 at 06:25 AM.
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#7
10-11-2006, 10:40 AM
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 Why not get a TFT for a change? I do NOT get headaches or become dizzy or nauseated with 60 Hz and that for 5 years running now on TFT`s. 
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#8
10-11-2006, 11:01 AM
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Manni I run my flat sceen monitor at 75mhz it works best with my card and before that I ran my Crt at 85mhz which again worked best for me. While 60mhz caused flicker with both monitors.
There is no one size fits all solution to this issue. Just as turning off all the eye candy in XP which eats CPU cycles and reduces performance of XP. If turning off the eye candy didn't improve performance then it wouldn't be listed as such. Some people don't think performance is as important as appearance of windows. My opinion is I built a high performance system and that's what I want from my system This game requires performance to work
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#9
10-11-2006, 02:09 PM
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There are special software for people with bad eyesight that forces the graphical system to run at a very low resolution and in that case you might need to set the refresh rate as low as possible for not damaging your hardware. For people not using that kind of software it is not necessary to set the refresh rate at 60Hz but at the rate where the screen does not flicker in any way. Quote:
Last edited by PCDania; 10-11-2006 at 02:18 PM.
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10-11-2006, 03:25 PM
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I think also some depends on the reaction-time of the TFT. Mine I have right now is a 19" with 8 m/sec I will be getting a 5m/sec thing soon All I can say is that I run it on 60Hz and have no flickering.
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10-11-2006, 05:15 PM
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What I am asking is why OTHER people should get a better experience when playing Caesar IV at THEIR computers by setting the refresh rate on THEIR monitor at 60Hz. Those other people do not need the special tweaks you unfortunately need and therefore they do not get blurs and other problems when setting the refresh rate higher than 60Hz like you unfortunately does. There is no need for them to lower the refresh rate on their monitor but instead they should keep it at a rate where they do not see the slightest flickering. If they run the monitor at a too low refresh rate they will experience sore eyes, headache, tiredness and possible dizzyness, or put in other words: they get sick so they are unable to sit at a computer enjoying their games, surfing the internet and what else they use their computer for. If people have a perfectly good CRT monitor there is no need to throw it out and buy a TFT monitor for being able to set the refresh rate at 60Hz as Manni suggested to me (yes, that was actually what he said with his comment). The lower refresh rate does not effect the graphics card in any way what calculating frames goes, the card will calculate frames as fast as possible and send them to the monitor in sync with the refresh rate of the monitor, the excess frames the graphics card has calculated are dropped. If you don't believe me then look at tests where they show framerates. I hope you are able to see pictures with text on them else please ask someone whom you trusts to confirm what I am saying is the data seen in the test which can be seen here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...7950gx2_6.html Top picture, graphics card I mention is the one at the top having a blue bar, the blue bar means the resolution is 1280x1024: In Battlefield 2, FSAA 4x + Aniso 16x using a Asus EN7950GX2 max frame rate is 131.2 frames pr. second. There are three more graphics cards in the picture and all displays frame rates higher then 75 frames pr second. The monitor used is a Samsung SyncMaster 244T monitor (24”, 1920х1200@75Hz max display mode) Max refreshrate for the monitor used is 75Hz. Link to specifications for system the graphics cards were tested on: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...7950gx2_5.html
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10-11-2006, 05:20 PM
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10-11-2006, 05:50 PM
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10-12-2006, 04:31 AM
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Last edited by PCDania; 10-12-2006 at 04:41 AM.
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10-12-2006, 10:24 AM
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So you choose to not ask and instead tells people to do something to their monitor that does not make it easier for their graphics card but will make people feel tired or even make people sick from sitting at their computer? Sorry to say this but it makes no sense.
The rule for setting the correct refresh rate is: Set it at a frequency so you don't see any flickering on the Desktop. If you have to set the frequency at such a high setting that it distorts the picture (gets blurred or gets out of shape or there's thin lines) then set the refresh rate one step lower and start saving up for a new monitor as the one you currently have is not fit for your eyes and will make you feeling tired and eventually lead to headache in the long run. If anyone use special software or special tweaks because they have a handicap of some sort follow the directions regarding that but don't tell everybody to use it as it's specific for your problem. As it is I think we have allready plenty of people with bad eyes and health, there's no need to create more. Quote:
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#20
10-12-2006, 10:40 AM
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Ok, here is the full dxdiag file attached.
I didn't realize the attachment mod was activated on this board. Quote:
60 or even 70 Hz are no option. My eyes begin to ache. I wonder how changing the WINDOWS resolution would improve the game performance. Nevertheless, I tried running the game at 800x600 (both Windows and the game) and set the monitor to 60Hz and got exactly the same crappy result. There has to be some kind of non-obvious tweak to get the game running, since the minimum spec says it runs on a computer that has half the capacities of mine.
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