I might have had my first rip off experience...

[Kashta]

trading. I am going to give the benefit of the doubt until this time tomorrow. I think we are growing close to the time to involve military in this great game. I know of only two ways to battle against a rip off artist in the trading arena at this time. One....do not trade with that pharaoh anymore (which is obvious). Number two is to splatter the name of the pharaoh, his or her nome and the names of his or her city or cities all over the message board and add the pharaoh's name to each scroll I send. The latter will happen tomorrow at this time if the deal is not squared away by then.

Introducing military to this game will make trading more interesting and will offer the chance at a more "expensive" price to pay for not living up to a trade. It would be nice to have a nome or "trading cartel" attack a pharaoh that is not living up his or her end of the deal.

This is in no way meant to be a "whining" post. I realize that it is part of the game. I just wish the price was higher for someone who decides to use this method of gain.

Again, this is a great game, I just think it is time to introduce the military and the role it will play in the game. Hopefully you will not hear from me tomorrow!

Regards

Kashta

[goonsquad]

I might be wrong, but I don't think you are going to be allowed to attack other cities.

Perhaps with boat trade TM could consider implementing some sort of holding house arrangement, whereby the trade is agreed but not implemented until both parties deposit the goods, and both parties have a boat available, with a penalty imposed for reneging on an agreed trade, 50% of the penalty to the other player and the other 50% lost. It doesn't seem like it would be all that complicated a thing to do.

[Deadbuffalo]

I think I've had my first one as well, but I am giving them the benefit of the doubt until tomorrow as well.... I took a note of their current market purchases/sales and city levels since they haven't responded to me in over 24 hours. If i see that they're logging on without even having the decency to respond to tell me why they haven't fulfilled their end then it is my obligation to warn others of trading with this individual.

[PhilL]

cant wait to see the sticky post of bad traders. Wall of shame.

these players will never own a monument....for long

[guru]

hey pm me the names of the baddies, ill just block them now. I would like to make a blacklist for sure.

[King Faticus]

I would rather see a list of known reputable traders because it is more useful to me when trying to find a stable trade partner than a spiteful blacklist would be

[theohall]

A sticky Wall of Shame post would be cool.

Currently, I have had zero issues trading with anyone and most of my private trades were me fronting Cedar for ships. Everyone I've done this for honored their end.

Thanks to all of you!

Now we'll see what happens since I've founded my 2nd city and it produces Emeralds.

[philthe25th]

I like the risk involved in trading. It makes for more a social game. The holding house idea would be safer, but without some risk where's the fun? A wall of shame, though, might be misused. I could rip somebody off and then just call hima thief. Who's to say otherwise?

[King Faticus]

time to look at your messages and take screen shots...
then look in your history from the time you shipped them the item you both agreed to and take 50 more snapshots to cover every single item till this moment o_0


otherwise there is no proof anybody did anything wrong


I don't want to see peoples reputation slurred publicly without proof! (or at all really)
that kind of thing will encourage negativity(avoiding harsh words )

[kach]

Send them a reminder. I could easily forget that I owe some one a trade. I have lots of senior moments.

[Czech Centurian]

Build warships and boycott his exchange, hint hint TM.

[Michlo]

Originally Posted by goonsquad

I might be wrong, but I don't think you are going to be allowed to attack other cities.

Perhaps with boat trade TM could consider implementing some sort of holding house arrangement, whereby the trade is agreed but not implemented until both parties deposit the goods, and both parties have a boat available, with a penalty imposed for reneging on an agreed trade, 50% of the penalty to the other player and the other 50% lost. It doesn't seem like it would be all that complicated a thing to do.

But that takes more control away from us. I think part of this game is the social experiment of us interacting. Whilst none of us want to be ripped off, it is the risk we take and those foolish enough to do it to us will pay the price. That is the point here, us controlling things, taking the risks, bringing in the punishments, etc.

Cheers.

[Nix]

I also think that rip-offs are a part of the game, the one that comes with trade. Trust is an important part of the game, as is diplomacy. If there are issues in game, handle it in game. I don't think public slander on the forum is a very good idea, for several reasons. For one, it might start flamewars. It might also very well be based on a misunderstanding. Perhaps one part thinks there is a deal, while the other does not - or maybe IRL complications hinders him from logging in. His black mark on the board will potentially destroy every chance of regaining his reputation. If it is handled IG, it is easier for him to slowly work that trust back. Also, it's not very relevant for those far away from said trader, and realistically news wouldn't travel that far on the Nile. I'm all for smashing his/her reputation IG, of course.

And of course, it will be a whole different thing when military/alliances are introduced.

[Kashta]

I have read all of your responses with interest and have decided that it is not in the best interest of the game to post the pharaoh's name and other pertinent information on this board. I agree, it should be taken care of in game. Rip offs are a part of the game and I agree with that.

I am hoping that we are given tools (military ) to deal with bad traders. It just doesn't seem right that all can be done right now is not trade with said pharaoh and spam scroll about him or her in game.

I appreciate all of your feedback. Funny thing is the pharaoh in question offered to have me send all but 50 of the 200 gold I promised him. In return, he would send the entire 200 of bronze. Once I received the bronze, I could then send him the remaining 50 gold because he said he "had been ripped off before" and wanted to show good faith! I can't believe I fell for that one. Since then he or she has founded a second city that specializes in (you guessed it) GOLD!

By the way, I showed my good faith by sending the entire 200 gold first trip.

I guess that is shame on me!

Regards

[Deadbuffalo]

Having read Kashta's response and located him on the nile, I think we're dealing with the same person. I can also confirm that the player in question has logged on at least twice (one to found a new city, 2 to rename that new city) since the trade without responding, i have screen shots of this.

[Nix]

Originally Posted by Deadbuffalo

I can also confirm that the player in question has logged on at least twice (one to found a new city, 2 to rename that new city) since the trade without responding, i have screen shots of this.

That's nice, but as I understand, said player is operating within the rules of the game, so the Devs can't/won't do anything about him (or so I assume). Better safe than sorry, of course. I would also second the suggestion to log and screen potential cheating for future reference.

[JuliaSet]

You might message other pharaohs in that area to not deal with that person until you get sorted. Be sure to message them back when it is repaired.

The person is going to be needing your goods again, and will pay the price when no one will want to trade with them.

[Deadbuffalo]

Oh i agree its in the rules of the game. I don't expect the devs to do anything nor do I consider it a game breaking issue.

However, I consider these forums part of the game-space, and me posting a warning here for other traders is part of the repercussions for in game behavior. What else can I do, scroll all his neighbors up and down the nile to warn them?

I'm also now about 99% confident Kashta and I are talking about the same person. But as there is a trade bug that would prevent the person from fulfilling their agreed trades at this moment, I can give them more time to straighten things out.

[mini-attacks]

I'd like to remind everyone to keep their emotions in check. I'd hate to have to see someone who had an unforeseen event (family emergency, broken computer, etc) happen only to come back and have his reputation dragged through the mud by people chomping at the bit.

I'd rather see a cautionary trade thread as opposed to a blacklist. It could be used by people who have a trade arrangement unfulfilled after several days or other such instances so to warn others to ask questions before the their own business with the person. In this case the person is at least more open to save face. This could become a real negative environment if continued with a "shoot and ask questions later" attitude.

I'd also like to see the military implemented in a much more thoughtful way than to raid others. The people of Tilted Mill have expressed that PvP would change the fundamentals of the game they had intended and there are other browser games if you're looking for that.

With a game that can be played so casual, I'm slightly interested if they make an enjoyable combat game of sorts.

[tomnobles]

Agreed!

Would be much better to forget about it and never darken their inbox again.