Flickering cursor, delays in screen update

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TealWanderER
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Flickering cursor, delays in screen update

Postby TealWanderER » Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:51 pm

Well someone had to be first !!! ;)

My sytem meets the minumum requirements,
1.3 G processor, 256M RAM, 40G hard drive, over 70% empty
32M NVidia TNT graphics card. Win XP Home SP1 (NO SP2)

What I was finding last night while trying the tutorials.
was;

a)the cursor was flickering as I played.
(enough to be annoying)

b)the whole game would pause at various times.
mostly when a popup was changing,

TIA
TW

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Jeff Fiske
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Video Card information is very tricky.

Postby Jeff Fiske » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:27 pm

I am surprised that you were able to get the game to run.

Your video card must have Transform and Lighting Capabilities to play CotN.
This technology goes back to 2000, and CotN will work on first generation GeForce cards and first generation Radeon Cards.

Unfortunately, you will have to upgrade your card to get the game to work properly.

You can order a card on-line, easily, if you are so inclined from a vendor such a http://www.newegg.com.

To get the full graphic support in the game, your card should be a fully DX9 compatible card. I believe this is the Radeon 9500 and higher cards and the NVidea FX series of cards.

Please feel free to post in our general forum for advise on cards.

From Nvidea's website in the FAQ area:
"My game requires Transform and Lighting. Does my card support this feature?

Question
My game requires Transform and Lighting. Does my card support this feature?


Answer
Transform and Lighting (T&L) is a hardware feature present in only certain graphic card models. The following NVIDIA based graphic cards do not support Transform and Lighting:

Riva 128
Riva TNT
Riva TNT2 Family
Vanta

If you have one of the above graphic cards/chips in your PC, then you will not be able to play games which require Transform and Lighting. Since this is a hardware feature, you will need to replace your graphics card with a card that supports Transform and Lighting."

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Postby dreamsoftwilight » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:40 pm

Go out and by a GeForce 5200 XFX, its only $89 at Circuit City, and it will allow you to play the game as it was intended, with all the options turned on! :D

Trust me! I was using a built in Ati card that made the game quite crappy to play.

Ignore all Geforce 4200 cards because those dont support DX 9, which is what makes the game awesome to play... if you get a 4200, you wont get to see the beautiful sun and moon and stars!

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Postby TealWanderER » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:44 pm

Sigh...

I knew I had to upgrade eventually...was hoping to wait a little longer... ;)

I will have to double that price up here, but thanks for for the idea :(

I guess I will just have to look at it in its shiny new box,
until I see if I can afford a new card ... darn !!! :(

Thanks for the information and help !!!

Later
TW

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Postby Jaguar » Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:49 pm

I think the graphics will be a common problem for people that can't get the game to run. I too won't be able to play this game on my desktop. Besides the fact that it's completely pooched, I have the same graphics card as you, Teal. I'll have to get a new desktop, but until that time comes, I'll have to make do with the laptop instead. And it's graphics card leaves a lot to be desired as well ...

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Postby Keith » Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:12 pm

This list of video cards that DO support T&L recently appeared on the VU Games forum:



Radeon- SDR, DDR, LE, 7200, 7500, 8500, 8800, 9000, 9200, 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800

Nvidia- GeForce SDR/DDR, GeForce2, GeForce3, GeForce4, GeForce FX

Matrox- Parhelia, P650, P750

XGI- All

SIS- 315, Xabre 80/200/400/600

S3- Savage XP, Chrome S4/S8/F1

Trident- XP4 T1/2/3

3Dlabs- VP 560/760/870

These are popular cards that DO NOT support T&L:

ATI- Rage, Fury, Radeon VE, 7000

Nvidia- Riva, TNT, TNT2

Matrox- G100/200/400/450/550

STM- All

SIS- 6326, 300, 305

S3- Savage 3D/4/2000

Trident- Blade

Intel- All

3Dlabs- Permedia /2/3

3DFX- All
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Postby Nero Would » Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:29 pm

Very helpful list, Keith. Perhaps TM could post it somewhere, or make this thread sticky.

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Postby dreamsoftwilight » Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:25 pm

GeForce4 440 MX doesnt support T&L Im not sure about the 4000 though. the 440 is actualy a GeForce 2 card renamed...

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Postby Topher_LS » Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:20 am

dreamsoftwilight wrote:GeForce4 440 MX doesnt support T&L Im not sure about the 4000 though. the 440 is actualy a GeForce 2 card renamed...


I think you're getting T&L confused with something else. The original GeForce line of cards support T&L. In fact the 4 MXs have 2nd Generation T&L. I don't know if the 4 MXs can do DirectX 8 T&L though.

You are correct in that the 4 MX line is closer to the 2s than anything else. The Ti 4400 & 4600 use the NV25 chip, while the 4 MXs are NV17. The GeForce 3 line is NV20.

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Postby imhotep3147 » Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:55 am

Should I assume that all cards that are later versions than these do support the necessary features? I'm thinking of the new Radeon x800.

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Postby PCDania » Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:05 pm

imhotep3147 wrote:Should I assume that all cards that are later versions than these do support the necessary features? I'm thinking of the new Radeon x800.


Yes.
And as allways with games, the newer and bigger the card is the better so it's *just* a question about money if you have one of those cards not supporting T&L in hardware. BUT, if you have an old computer don't buy an x800 or similar from nVidia, a Radeon 9600 or equivalent is more fitting as it also has to fit the rest of the computer, there isn't much idea in getting a topnotch gfx card for a 3 years old of-the-shelves PC unless you like to upgrade motherboard and powersupply at the same time which will give a bad headache with brandname computers.

-and please don't whine too much when you have to buy a new card next year because the new game you get at Christmas 2005 can't be played with all eyecandy turned on ;) :rolleyes:

About those MX series cards: they are a mix of different older versions of chips or "handicapped" older chips and are actually only meant for use in an office even though they are sold in retail to people who don't know about games and required graphics or simply can't afford something better. The "handicapped" MX cards often has some 3D part disabled either because it was testet as faulty or the chip is outdated but still usefull but must not compete with newer models. It means nothing in an office or when playing older games but what newer games goes the story is somewhat different.
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Postby Gabbysdad » Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:57 pm

dreamsoftwilight wrote:GeForce4 440 MX doesnt support T&L Im not sure about the 4000 though. the 440 is actualy a GeForce 2 card renamed...


I sure hope this GeForce card works, that's what I have with 128MB DDR RAM, getting my game next week.

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Postby Topher_LS » Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:46 pm

imhotep3147 wrote:Should I assume that all cards that are later versions than these do support the necessary features? I'm thinking of the new Radeon x800.


The Radeon x800 & GeForce 6800 series are awesome cards, I have a 6800 GT myself. Do not bother to get one unless you have at least a 2Ghz system, otherwise your CPU will bottleneck the GPU & you're just wasting money. In a 1Ghz to 2Ghz system, get something like a Radeon 9600 Pro/XT or 9800 Pro/XT (or equivelent GeForce card), depending on how far below 2Ghz you are.

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Postby imhotep3147 » Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:52 pm

Well....in about two months or so I'm completely starting from scratch with a new custom system so I know the comp will handle it. Money will be no object with this one. mwuhahahah. :D :D :D

Note about the mouse flickers.....did you try fiddling with your graphics settings, both in- and out of the game? Might help you to run a little smoother. :D

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Postby Innovan » Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:36 pm

The problem is the very cutting edge graphic cards are PCI-express only, which means buying a whole new motherboard/system. But if you're buying a Sapphire Radeon X800 XT Plat 256MB for $667 you don't really care about the expense anyways.

The NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900XT 128 MB is the best bang for the buck this week, but this is always shifting. At the rock bottom price end is the ATI Radeon 9000 64MB OEM selling for $36 from Allstarshop.com

http://www.sharkyextreme.com is your friend. Their "October Value Gaming PC Buyer's Guide" and the 'November Video Card Price Guide" are both worth checking out.

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Postby imhotep3147 » Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:10 am

Cool site, thanks for the info. And I was thinking of one of the cheaper versions of the card, but I may end up cutting corners elsewhere to stick it in there....money is no object up to a certain point is perhaps a better way to have stated that. :D


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