Expansion Vs. Strengthening Main City.

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Expansion Vs. Strengthening Main City.

Postby Acoustics » Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:19 am

Which is more important to you?

I'd say expansion for me, Which is the ultimate goal(Right?). Because if you plan good, using your second city you can upgrade your main city at a much faster rate. Plus having 2 cities is just more fun.

- Sudi Audi

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Postby guru » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:21 am

For me... everyone around me is at 6-7th level palaces and they are gobbling up real estate so im spreading out into the last piece of gold near me...I sell emeralds which dont stay in stock long..but now I am my own jewlery store. The extra space and more labor making bricks for me in my 2nd city is going to fund everything I do in city 1...

Alot will change soon with addition of armies and war over temples. Those with cedar, leather and bronze will be king... and since chariots will be crucial as the toughest army tool cedar and bronze mostly will be in beyond major demand...essentially 2 cities will make this effort alot easier..in my opinion

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Postby Tinkerbell » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:33 am

Howdy, Acoustics!

To me, getting enough Laborers in my Capital City is most important. I felt like Palace L5 reached the tipping point to do most everything. One of each building placed, appropriate upgrades & ability to do anything with its 120 Laborers, w/o shifting too much labor.

Then it was a question of whether or not to accumulate enough jewelry (157) to go to L6 with its 155 Laborers, or expand to a second city. I chose the 2nd city cuz it requires no jewelry. Of course, 2nd city needs jewelry also to upgrade the Palace. However, getting that new lux resource was always attracting me.

I just started the upgrade of my 2nd to L4 about an hour ago. Next I will go back & upgrade my Capital to L6. 2nd will stay at L4 for awhile.

at least that's my plan at the moment... :)

If it helps, my starting position was Bronze, & I am quite happy with it. My 2nd is Leather which I am also happy with.

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Postby Nighteyes » Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:14 am

Military power house when it's introduced Tinkerbell :D :rolleyes: :cool:

If it helps, my starting position was Bronze, & I am quite happy with it. My 2nd is Leather which I am also happy with.


I hope you enjoy your monuments. :cool:

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Postby guru » Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:28 am

Military power house when it's introduced Tinkerbell

If it helps, my starting position was Bronze, & I am quite happy with it. My 2nd is Leather which I am also happy with.

I hope you enjoy your monuments.


So what happens when Tinkerbell takes over an empty Monument space and has his/her 100-500 army is on it (depending on the upgrades he/she makes to the monument) and fills it with their leather/bronze warriors vs. chariots of bronze and cedar?

Does the person who wins the battle keep all the current upgrades to the monument?

Anyone know the ranking as far as 1 spearmen is overpowered by 1 chariot which 1 archer can take out? I am pondering the rock paper scissors at this point.
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Postby Caesar Clifford » Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:27 am

You know a third city sounds a lot more tempting to me than a L7 palace. I only have a L4 palace now.

I'm too lazy but what is the total requirements for a L5, L6 and L7 palace compared to a third city ? Sorry I'm lazy but I'm sure someone will work it out.

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Postby Kiya » Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:42 am

"Caesar Clifford" wrote:You know a third city sounds a lot more tempting to me than a L7 palace. I only have a L4 palace now.

I'm too lazy but what is the total requirements for a L5, L6 and L7 palace compared to a third city ? Sorry I'm lazy but I'm sure someone will work it out.

I'm also too lazy (it's early Sunday morning for me) to dig that info out, but for me it was obvious. The requirements for a third city are huge (4 diff lux items up to 6500, not to mention the other stuff!), so upgrading both of the palaces is essential to have the necessary workforce.

edit/ Ok I was early morning when I posted. Sorry I was thinking of lvl 8 palace. That or levelling my second or getting 3rd site. For me it is upgrading my second city to get more workforce.
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Postby amator » Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:23 am

"Caesar Clifford" wrote:You know a third city sounds a lot more tempting to me than a L7 palace. I only have a L4 palace now.

I'm too lazy but what is the total requirements for a L5, L6 and L7 palace compared to a third city ? Sorry I'm lazy but I'm sure someone will work it out.

Palace L5: 448 bricks, 136 pottery, 136 baskets, 79 jewelry, 68 sandals - 5h

Palace L6: 793 bricks, 244 pottery, 244 baskets, 144 cosmetics, 157 jewelry -6h 30m

Palace L7: 1279 bricks, 397 pottery, 397 baskets, 260 jewelry, 245 statues (sculptures?) - 8h 10m

Some else posted this earlier, I just copied.

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Postby Rama-Seph » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:57 am

Total of all the above (L5, 6 and 7 palace upgrades): 2520 bricks, 777 pottery, 777 baskets, 496 jewelry, 68 sandals, 144 cosmetics, 245 sculpture. Total value in labor hours (assuming everything acquired at cost): 7301.0

Cost of a 3rd city: 11250 bread, 7875 bricks, 1800 sandals, 1800 sculpture, 1462 cosmetics, 1462 perfume, 22 ships. Total value in labor (again, all valued at cost): 35,346.2

Clearly, we'll be upgrading a while before 3rd cities are founded. Actual cost of the above will vary, since it's impossible to build all the requirements yourself with 1 or 2 cities.
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Postby Caesar Clifford » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:04 am

Palace L5: 448 bricks, 136 pottery, 136 baskets, 79 jewelry, 68 sandals - 5h

Palace L6: 793 bricks, 244 pottery, 244 baskets, 144 cosmetics, 157 jewelry -6h 30m

Palace L7: 1279 bricks, 397 pottery, 397 baskets, 260 jewelry, 245 sculptures - 8h 10m



Added together = 3351 bricks 777 pottery 777 baskets 496 jewelry 68 sandals 144 cosmetics 245 sculptures 19hr 40 m

x two to get first two cities to L7 palaces = 6702 bricks 1554 pottery 1554 baskets 992 jewelry 68 sandals 144 cosmetics 245 sculptures 39 hr 20m

3rd city = 11,250 bread 7,875 bricks 22 ships 1800 sandals 1800 sculptures 1462 cosmetics 1462 perfume 12hr 0m

Well its a darn site quicker getting a 3rd city. Other than the bread and ships not a lot of difference though.

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Postby Caesar Clifford » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:05 am

My slow typing again.

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Postby Caesar Clifford » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:06 am

You left out the 22 ships and I think you should double it for two cities both at L7.

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Postby Rama-Seph » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:17 am

I included the 22 ships in the total calculation (86.67 labor hours per ship) but left it out of the list. Fixed now, thanks for catching it. And the cost for a 3rd city being 5 times the palace upgrades, doing 2 palaces is still cheaper. Maybe if I feel ambitious I'll go add L8 to the mix...but I'm not so that'll have to wait.
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Postby BrazNomar » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:03 pm

I was in doubt about palace lvl 6 or 2nd city. In the end, I stocked up enough so I could do both. :p

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Postby noneboard » Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:10 pm

"Acoustics" wrote:Which is more important to you?

I'd say expansion for me, Which is the ultimate goal(Right?). Because if you plan good, using your second city you can upgrade your main city at a much faster rate. Plus having 2 cities is just more fun.

- Sudi Audi


expansion is the most important for me, because getting luxury goods will be easier in some days, even on the market you will find them i think. settling will not always be as easy as now. the places will fill very fast and you will have to settle far off. it's also important for me, to get at least cedar(for ships), emeralds(for jewelry), gold(for jewelry) and leather(for sandals and units), in this order, because i only have oil for parfumes.
when this will be reached somewhen i will look for bronze to get some cherioteers ^^

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Postby Kiya » Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:18 pm

"Caesar Clifford" wrote:Added together = 3351 bricks 777 pottery 777 baskets 496 jewelry 68 sandals 144 cosmetics 245 sculptures 19hr 40 m

x two to get first two cities to L7 palaces = 6702 bricks 1554 pottery 1554 baskets 992 jewelry 68 sandals 144 cosmetics 245 sculptures 39 hr 20m

3rd city = 11,250 bread 7,875 bricks 22 ships 1800 sandals 1800 sculptures 1462 cosmetics 1462 perfume 12hr 0m

Well its a darn site quicker getting a 3rd city. Other than the bread and ships not a lot of difference though.

Very nice calculations indeed. Did you also take into this: if you don't upgrade your two palaces first, you don't have too many workers to do all that? Higher level palaces = more workers = more goods for market or private trade.

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Postby Jimaaten » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:15 pm

My thinking at the moment is that I'd go for a 2nd & 3rd city before I'd expand my city too far, only because neither the 2nd nor 3rd require jewelry. It seems like all the upgrades include jewelry and always as the larger amount. Couldn't it be mixed up a bit?

My aversion to jewelry is that the first 4 days I played it never was on the market. There have lately been some listed, but its been at 60 & 65 bread a piece. Someone posted some at 30 which seems like a bargain at this point. :eek: (Without the help of a friend also playing who helped me with the jewelry I'd probably still be at a level 3 palace and probably have abandoned the game at this point.)

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Postby Kiya » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:19 pm

"Jimaaten" wrote:My aversion to jewelry is that the first 4 days I played it never was on the market. There have lately been some listed, but its been at 60 & 65 bread a piece. Someone posted some at 30 which seems like a bargain at this point. :eek:

:eek:
On our local market jewelry at present is 24-25 bread a piece. I'm sure it will come down on yours too after a while.

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Postby King Faticus » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:22 pm

actually I see it for as high as 30 per still but it is usually 22 - 26 per

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Postby Torgen » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:56 pm

Also, you need to take into account having to upgrade both the warehouse and the exchange to hold the goods and ships necessary for the 3rd city. Add that to the mix, and ramping up what ya got is a lot more attractive.


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