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Mr Ears
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Postby Mr Ears » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:02 pm

"EndStigator" wrote:I have read several of your posts and it is always negative. That leads me to believe that either you have a very miserable existence or you are baiting all the others and get a kick out of it. As my self seems to have been baited even thougth I was not going to kick you in the shin.


That's right. There are bulls and there are bears. And I'm a bear.

So what! :p

Salju
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Postby Salju » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:11 pm

to make 250k bread using just market with just 75 sell order as recorded needs around 3333 bread per sell

assuming all those overpriced bronze sold at the market means around 475 bronze per order at 7-8

in 60 days assuming all workers are put to produce luxmat you will get
52348 luxmat (fulltime 8% monument, 10% temple and 2% specialty) while consuming 43200 bread (per city of 30 workers)

those luxmat if all sold at overprice of 7 will get you 366436 bread per city

366436*3 = 1099308 bread total, subtract 250k leaves you 849308-(43200*3)=719708(forgot to put bread consumption here)

you need a total of 68200 total for the 4th. if all bought at 9 totaling 613800 bread.... oh wow doable assuming the market runs like wild :D

edit ps. i didnt count workers on monuments
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Mr Ears
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Postby Mr Ears » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:21 pm

Smells like a huge cheat, no?

All those who felt like congratulating should consider to have congratulated a cheater.

But of course Tink already knew that... :D

Taboo
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Postby Taboo » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:59 pm

What of your accomplishments Mr. Ears? ;)
Do I smell jealousy?


Congrats Thechris, well played! :eek:

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Postby Ivy » Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:11 pm

Well done, thechris! Something that no one else has attempted. :)

Good for you, young man - you made it!

Mr Ears
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Postby Mr Ears » Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:12 pm

Everyone who is capable of applying basic maths knows that it was accomplished thru cheating.

I wouldn't congratulate. If I did, I would display an alarming weakness in maths.... even in basic maths...

But okay.... if you wanna go on congratulating him for this "achievement", just go ahead... :D

P.S: I bet that most of those who congratulate don't understand a single word of what Salju posted...

Taboo
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Postby Taboo » Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:23 pm

"Mr Ears" wrote:Everyone who disagrees with me is incapable of applying basic maths


Good thing I also don't agree with your last post.

Salju
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Postby Salju » Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:27 pm

now now dont bring my name up, i only post a simple count while skipping A LOT of variables.
besides how can someone who congratulate him understand my post if i havent posted anything else up to this point

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Don't feed the trolls

Postby tomnobles » Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:02 pm


Pontius Pilatus
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Welcome to the pit.

Postby Pontius Pilatus » Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:03 pm

"Salju" wrote:now now dont bring my name up, i only post a simple count while skipping A LOT of variables.
besides how can someone who congratulate him understand my post if i havent posted anything else up to this point


Haha, don't worry Salju,

You are a source without bias, so you are welcome. Some of us are not so sure if this accomplishment was done without outside help(cheating). Your cool and unbiased attempt to comment on this feat showed to us all the probable truth. This cheat isn't even a cheat in my book, but the almighty T. always declares it a cheat. Now he is exposed as a cheat under his own rulebook, I can live with it, but can Tink?

BTW Some of us think Tinkerbell and Tinkswingman are maybe a double account by T. We cannot prove it, but everybody knows they are to close to be true.LOL

Cheers! I love this. :)
But it ain't necessarily so.

Salju
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Postby Salju » Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:37 pm

here you go i spend some more time on calculation, but on normal bread price

City2
Assuming all Lux is 9 Bread, all Bricks is 3 Bread, all Ship is 25 Bread
To Build City2
2400 Bread, 1500*3=4500, 126*9=1134, 3*25=75 to Found
including other necessary building to build (Temple, Barracks, Exchange, lv5Luxmt)

Total 10650 Bread

Assuming Luxmat is 4 Bread
Including Bonus (10+8+2)% and running continuously

Assuming Market run Smoothly each hour

Produce 36Lux (144Bread) per hour
Consume 30 Bread per hour
Net Gain 114 per hour

need ~93h to produce needed bread (almost 4days)

City3
Assuming all Lux is 9 Bread, all Bricks is 3 Bread, all Ship is 25 Bread
To Build City3
11250 Bread, 7875*3=23625, 6600*9=59400, 12*25=300 to Found
including other necessary building to build (Temple, Exchange4, lv5Luxmt)

Total 97758 Bread

Assuming Luxmat is 4 Bread
Including Bonus (10+8+2)% and running continuously

Assuming Market run Smoothly each hour

Produce 72Lux (288 Bread) per hour
Consume 60 Bread per hour
Net Gain 228 per hour

need ~429h to produce needed bread (almost 18days)

City4

Assuming all Lux is 9 Bread, all Bricks is 3 Bread, all Ship is 25 Bread
To Build City4
250000 Bread, 35890*3=107670, 68200*9=613800, 250*25=6250 to Found
including other necessary building to build (Temple, Exchange17, lv5Luxmt)

Total 1037033 Bread

Assuming Luxmat is 4 Bread
Including Bonus (10+8+2)% and running continuously

Assuming Market run Smoothly each hour

Produce 108Lux (432Bread) per hour
Consume 90 Bread per hour
Net Gain 342 per hour

need ~3032h to produce needed bread (around 126 days)


*need 142 Days from City1 to City4*

Mr Ears
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Postby Mr Ears » Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:04 pm

But he only exists for some 70 days...

Isn't it weird that (S)Tink leads a crusade against cheating all the time, but he's the first one to congratulate an obvious cheater? :D

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Postby Cazy » Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:19 pm

Salju, you're ignoring the workers at the limestone quarry and I think that's the key. My guess is that thechris received 2 fully built monuments as a gift when he started. This gave him the production bonus from the start (not very useful for so few workers though), but more importantly gave him access to much more workers than his palace(s) allowed. Trading limes for lux goods 3:1 with no soldiers guarding the monuments is like buying those goods at 3 bread a piece. He fought 6 battles without killing any soldiers. He lost two monuments so I assume he never protected them and was gifted two more fifth level monuments after losing the initial ones. Thechris, am I wrong? Cause if I am, your achievement in the conditions you mentioned isn't really credible from a mathematical point of view.
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Postby Mr Ears » Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:29 pm

"Cazy" wrote:Salju, you're ignoring the workers at the limestone quarry and I think that's the key. My guess is that thechris received 2 fully built monuments as a gift when he started. This gave him the production bonus from the start (not very useful for so few workers though), but more importantly gave him access to much more workers than his palace(s) allowed. Trading limes for lux goods 3:1 with no soldiers guarding the monuments is like buying those goods at 3 bread a piece. He fought 6 battles without killing any soldiers. He lost two monuments so I assume he never protected his monuments and was gifted two more fifth level monuments after losing the initial ones. Thechris, am I wrong? Cause if I am, you're achievement isn't really credible from a mathematical point of view.


He only has 79 market sales, so it's pretty obvious.

EVEN IF he has 100 workers in each quarry plot producing limestone, he needs to feed them. He cannot feed them with the bread he is producing in his tiny cities. So he needs thousands of market sales to make enough bread to feed his monument workers. PLUS, he needs to save hundreds of thousands of bread at the same time for opening new cities. But he only has 79 sales.

Guilty as charged...

Poor try, Tink! :D

I suppose that was the end of (S)Tink's forum activities, as he has just lost his entire credibility...
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Salju
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Postby Salju » Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:49 pm

yeah Cazy there are reasons i ignore Lime workers
if i include lime in calculation the total time would reduce to
edit: 60 days i mean (3am here :D )
but Lime rarely sells or traded nowadays, lots of people want to get rid of them
my area there are a lot of lime at 2 per and i dont see it going anywhere
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Postby Cazy » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:00 pm

Salju, maybe he had benevolent trading partners, who built the monuments for him, bought the bronze at high prices and traded lux goods for the lime. Of course, the achievement is still incredible and it shows the reason it takes so long for the regular player to found the 4th city is the fact we invest a lot in our palaces and infrastructure. But having partners who help you throughout the whole process with uneven deals can hardly be called a "no gifts" approach.

Taboo
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Postby Taboo » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:23 am

"thechris" wrote:the only thing else that was close to gifting was me getting a large amount and paying back in small bits :cool:


"thechris" wrote:there are many people that helped me reach this by the pay later plan :D


"thechris" wrote:i could put them for 9 or 10 and sell within 48 hours before tink came along


Basic Math and Basic Reading are both in short supply it seems :rolleyes:

@ Chris, Are you still repaying those loans? You reported that your city was recently finished, but, I don't think it's fully repaid yet.

Were you loaned bread by any chance?

Inquiring minds want to know.. :)

thechris
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Postby thechris » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:08 pm

ahh yes i do owe 30k of any raw mat, i could sell my lime for more then 1 so i made a profit there, and i sold in 1k+ patches, i also bought really cheap stuff, like tinks 5 bronze then sold it for 7 or 8 :D i sometimes could buy 3 bread per bonze in my 3rd then sell it for 7 or 8 but that was a boat killer any thing i missed?

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Postby mobius » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:17 pm

Back to the questions.

1. What was the loophole that you found?

2. How did you get/maintain monuments?

3. How many workers were in those monuments?

The basic math provided doesn't work but that doesn't means somebody gifted bread either.
Try some better math.

Monument:
150 x 3 x24 = 10,800 bread per day. That's 150 workers, 1 limestone sold at 3 bread, 24 hour day.
That's enough bread to feed monument workers for 3 days. The other two days produce 7.2k in limestone or trade equivalent of 2k in luxury goods.

City:
30 workers producing 35 goods an hour. That's roughly 800 goods a day.


The math works fine with 2 fully upgraded monuments. How were the monument obtained?

The quad 1s is all fine but claiming it as a victory is a bit premature while having a debt of 30k raw mats.
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thechris
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Postby thechris » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:22 pm

the loophole is that raw lux:lux is 3:1 right? i can sell my bronze at 7 or 8(and only cost 1 to make) then with that 7 or 8 i can buy lux so im basicly trading 1;1
:D

i got my monuments that had zero protection and i got a gift scrarab(thankx stephnis!!) so then i could upgarade them to 4, if i did 5 someone might take them :)

i have the max workers in 1 and 50 in the other, i can maintan them becasue i can sell lime for more then it takes to pay the workers


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