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New Quest Item Lab

Postby Tinkerbell » Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:18 pm

Howdy again, Nile Addicts! I was thinking to update my Quest Lab, cuz things might have changed, or I was too simple with my original hypothesis. Together, we should be able to better nail this turkey down.

Original hypothesis

Nome Quests ~ Only Flowers, Linen & Scarab

Desert & Tomb ~ 8 Lower items plus Scarab ~ Skins, Gems, Quartz, Basalt Statue, Hammer, Wine plus the Nome items (Flowers, Linen & Scarab)

Speedup Quests ~ Med, Journey, Holy ~ All 12 Items plus scarab. Basically Speedup Quests add the big four ~ Blade, Golden Blade, Armor & MONKEYS !!!

New Hypothesis

Now, I am at least wondering about especially Gems & Quartz. I don't think these two fit into the previous hypothesis any longer. These two are also on the left side of the Profile format, where the big four are.

What I am especially looking for is verification that Gems are possible from a Tomb.

What do your Labs indicate? Thoughts?

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Postby Pontius Pilatus » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:23 am

Will do some Tomb Raids. First gave me basalt, next on the way.

Second gave nothing but brick!
Third nothing but brick!
Will switch to desert for three turns.
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Postby Spearthrower » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:15 am

Someone.... Sek (?).... reported getting a scarab from Nome exploration the other day!!

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Postby Tinkerbell » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:30 pm

Here is my first pitiful attempt. This only includes data from my immortal Sabah II account which has "beta" numbers before & after Quests were pushed to Theoris.

I am planning on two more, my current accounts on both servers & then a 4th with all three accounts added together.

Suggestions, comments & criticisms welcome, but remember, I am a rookie at this. :o

EDIT: I forgot to add that looking at numbers this way comes with various assumptions that might not even be valid. Is a Desert Quest with 6 envoys (P22) the same as a Desert Quest with only 3 Envoys (P13)? Does already having one Armor, affect the probability of getting Armor #2? Etc...

The first thing is what items come from what Quests. Dat's the biggie.
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Postby Psilocybin » Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:52 am

Thanks for the posts. It'll be some help since I'm curious on the rates on which items/scarabs are won. Don't know how to use Excel unfortunately.

I've been recording my quest results on my papyrus scroll since I made a new account. Might as well put it to use. Here's what I got so far.

Soma (Theoris)
Birthday: Feb. 13, 2010
Lastest Quest run: June 19, 2010

Nome Exploration: 180 tries
Items: 6 Linen, 7 Flowers, 2 Scarabs

Desert Expedition: 67 tries
Items: 1 Linen, 2 Flowers, 2 Wine, 4 Skins, 1 Hammer

Tomb Raid: 44 tries
Items: 1 Linen, 1 Wine, 2 Hammers, 1 Basalt Statue, 1 Quartz, 1 Scarab

Mediterranean Exploration: 30 tries
Items: 1 Basalt Statue

Journey to Punt: 7 tries
Items: N/A

I'll update it in the future. I'm currently upgrading my capital to level 22, so I'll be able to do Holy Pilgrimage soon. I've attached a text file which organizes by envoys, which lux I used, number of bricks obtained, and items.

(Heh. I just calculated I've spent 56,750 lux goods, 660 ships, and 66,000 bread on quests.)
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Postby Tinkerbell » Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:43 pm

Here is an image of table 4, the combination of my immortal Sabah II account, and both current server accounts in progress all combined.

This is still a work in progress, cuz I just started learning google spreadsheet two days ago. I think the numbers are correct, but still need to verify them.

So, don't take these as absolutely correct yet.

Results are interesting though!

Enjoy! :)
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Postby Malaprop » Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:47 am

"Spearthrower" wrote:Someone.... Sek (?).... reported getting a scarab from Nome exploration the other day!!


I was only doing NE quests at the point, but the first brick+ return I had was a scarab.

Kinda set me up for item disappointment... :confused:

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Postby RebelT » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:47 am

I'm getting a bit frustrated. I finally collected my first blade the other day, but still have not stumbled upon a golden blade in all of my days.

I've already reached the point where I've racked up 40 hours of speedup time that is not going to be used, but now I've also reached the point where I am basically 100% full on every single item in all 4 cities, all upgrades have been done....I'm basically maxed out.....but i STILL DONT HAVE A GOLDEN BLADE!

Frustrating, to say the least. My goal has always been to max out all 4 cities, and when I'm done, to go immortal. I considered shooting for the #1 spot for awhile, but decided against it---the Top 2 are in eternal vacation mode, so there's no sense in waiting it out. Plus, I have no idea how to actually eclipse them....if all of my cities are maxed out, I don't know what else could possibly have them ranked ahead of me.

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Postby Keith » Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:18 pm

Keep on going. I send out quests every 12 hours and I've been playing since March 2009. Some of the items are more rare it seems. I have two golden blades compared to 34 flowers and 24 linen. I just got a sixth hammer a couple days ago.

The frequency of finding something will go up with the frequency and quantity of your quests. I send out all six envoys each and every time.

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Postby Tinkerbell » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:04 pm

"RebelT" wrote:I've already reached the point where I've racked up 40 hours of speedup time that is not going to be used, but now I've also reached the point where I am basically 100% full on every single item in all 4 cities, all upgrades have been done....I'm basically maxed out.....but i STILL DONT HAVE A GOLDEN BLADE!


Wide variances with low probabliities.

40 hours sounds like 4x10 Journey Quests or 10x4 Meds. I'm not sure you can get golden blades with Journey/Med Quests (from My posted Labs above). You really need to do only Holys for the big items.

I went immortal in Theoris II at rank 9, 61 years & never got a blade, golden blade nor purdy GEMS! :eek: My current Sabah III account has the very same holes (Haven't done any Holys here yet, but soon!)!

As a matter of fact I have never gotten a blade ever! LOL
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Postby Ivy » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:39 pm

When I went immortal in Sabah and Theoris I had one golden blade in each, both from a Holy. In Theoris I never got a blade at all, while in Sabah I got 2, also from Holies. This was running quests constantly as soon as I was able to.

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Postby RebelT » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:30 am

I have:

1 blade
0 golden blades
1 armor
9 skins
10 linen
6 flowers
3 gems
4 monkeys
4 quartz
6 basalt statues
7 hammers
14 wines


Clearly I've done a number of quests, and I've done all 6 throughout the entire time.

For the LONGEST time I did Holy's exclusively, for probably 6 months at least. Never got a blade or a golden. Did about 3-4 Journey's, and boom, got a blade. Still no golden despite repeated attempts.

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Postby Tinkerbell » Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:34 pm

"RebelT" wrote:For the LONGEST time I did Holy's exclusively, for probably 6 months at least. Never got a blade or a golden. Did about 3-4 Journey's, and boom, got a blade. Still no golden despite repeated attempts.


When I first read your post, I had a hard time believing that you got a BLADE !!! from a Journey. Then a friend did the very same thing TWICE :eek: <faintz>

This morning...

NEW! [From: Messenger] Journey to Punt quest complete! [09/05 @ 4:19 am]

Your people have been inspired by the successful Journey to Punt, earning you:

+ Next construction project reduced by 10 hours!
+ 1 item (Blade)


This is my very first BLADE !!! ever on five Nile accounts now.

I usually do only Holys during the late game, mainly for the 12 hour speedups & Holys quests absolutely hate me.

This changes everything!

Can we get Golden Blades from Journeys too (I know we can get them from Holys)? Are Holys really just a lux sink & not necessary?

I have stopped doing Holy quests for now & only doing Journeys.

Time will tell!

Thank You! :)

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Can anyone give me a clue to what's happening?

Postby Golden Archer » Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:24 pm

I've been doing exclusively Holys for the last 4 months now, most of the times even twice a day. When 2k lux goes down the sink, your ranking dips, and rises if you find something big -- blade, golden, gem or monkey.

Before that, I used to do a mix of Journeys and Holys and got no bigger than the basalt statues with over a dozen linen though I got the occasional scarab.

However, till now I am yet to get an armour. This is really weird because I have got a golden, 3 normal blades, 2 monkeys and 1 gems. I don't simply know what to do to get an armour.

By the way I don't remember the last time when my quests yielded anything despite ~4k luxs daily. One will complete in 2 hrs now.

Can anyone give me a clue to what's happening?

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Postby Ivy » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:24 pm

Hi Golden Archer,

Over 3 different Nile accounts, 2 on Sabah and 1 on Theoris, I have had 11 armour in total - 2 from Meds, 5 from Journeys and 4 from Holys. I cannot give you any guarantees, but it may be worth while to try a few Journeys or Meds.

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~I am only intrested in scarabs!

Postby Pontius Pilatus » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:21 pm

I would like some hints to acquire them faster by quests.

Anybody who has a clue?


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Postby Keith » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:35 pm

We talkin' scarabs aagain? There are no real shortcuts other than buying them. To increase your chances you might want to send out as many nome exploratoin quests as possible.

Six explorations might turn up a quest sooner than one expensive quest.
Although I don't know if they factored that into the chances of getting a scarab or not. I've mostly been doing pilgrimages to get the reduction in construction time for a while now, but I don't think it really matters what type of quest it is.

I've hit scarabs on all of them. In fact a month or so ago I got 2 scarabs on successive Holy Pilgrimages, but I haven't gotten one since that time. All my scarabs save for those you start the game with have come from quests of one kind or another. I'm working on upgrading all the buildings and palace in my fourth city right now which is at level 16. The other three are all level 22.

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Postby Tinkerbell » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:50 pm

My Labs imaged above indicate that the average chance of getting a quest scarab is about 2%.

Much easier to buy them from the Scarab Store.

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Mmm, easier, but not very sporty!

Postby Pontius Pilatus » Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:12 pm

"Tinkerbell" wrote:My Labs imaged above indicate that the average chance of getting a quest scarab is about 2%.

Much easier to buy them from the Scarab Store.


I was asking for advice on augmenting the chance getting scarabs from the game (by quests).
The cop out, buying them, I see as a way of cheating myself through the game because I throw money at it.
Thanks for the info, I will take my chances with quests.

Cheers!
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Postby Psilocybin » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:58 pm

Updated my quest log. Haven't run into a Golden Blade or Gems yet.

Soma (Theoris)
Birthday: Feb. 13, 2010
Latest run: September 19, 2010

Nome Exploration: 261 tries
Items: 9 Linen, 10 Flowers, 2 Scarabs

Desert Expedition: 79 tries
Items: 1 Linen, 2 Flowers, 2 Wine, 4 Skins, 1 Hammer

Tomb Raid: 44 tries
Items: 1 Linen, 1 Wine, 2 Hammers, 1 Basalt Statue, 1 Quartz, 1 Scarab

Mediterranean Exploration: 62 tries
Items: 1 Basalt Statue, 1 Wine, 1 Armor, 2 Scarabs

Journey to Punt: 49 tries
Items: 1 Linen, 1 Blade, 1 Scarab

Holy Pilgrimage: 76 tries
Items: 1 Hammer, 2 Wine, 3 Skins, 1 Basalt Statue, 1 Quartz, 1 Monkey, 1 Scarab

Total lux spent: 219,850
Total ships spent: 2,400
Total bread spent: 240,000

Items won overall: 12 Linen, 12 Flowers, 4 Hammers, 6 Wine, 7 Skins, 3 Basalt Statues, 2 Quartz, 1 Armor, 1 Monkey, 1 Blade, 7 Scarabs

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