MS says VISTA is junk

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MS says VISTA is junk

Postby Karter » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:34 am

Am I happy I didnt shell out the cash for VISTA
my roomie just got a new system with VISTA Premium 32bit and after playing with this for a month
he is begging me to put XP back onto his new system

I am so disappointed with VISTA, it makes me wonder if it wasnt a SCAM just to sell new software

Now even MICROSOFT has admitted VISTA is NOT what it should be

I found this an interesting read
even Intel refuses to back VISTA or Windows 7 at this point

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Postby Azeem » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:53 am

Vista is strangely stable on my system. But it indeed is one hefty resource hog. I'm not at all sure as to what many of its "features" do. :o

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Postby Rnett » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:18 pm

"Azeem" wrote: :o

It reports back to Bill about everything you do. Image

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Postby archonsod » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:34 pm

Absolutely fine on my PC. In fact, I don't think I could go back to XP these days.

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Postby wizaerd » Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:19 pm

I don't see anything in that blog that proves that Microsoft is admitting Vista is junk. I agree, it is junk, but you can't say even MS is saying it based on some individual's blog... Just because they're working on Windows 7, and say it'll be faster and use less resources does not amount to them admitting Vista was a mistake or junk...

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Postby Karter » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:52 am

Hey I wanted it to work

it brings nothing new to the table that makes it worth switching to...
in fact it just obsoletes older stable programs.

personally I think the new interface is horrid,
you cant even bring up Administrator tools unless you switch to classic view (unless I am missing something)

Media Center reminds me of something a 5th or 6th grader would design (no offense to any younger readers)

Media Player options have been moved, but it has always been a dog.

Networking is harder and slower with older Versions

it has been 2 years and even their online Windows Live OneCare is still in beta mode (besides you can only run 1-2 function)

and many, many other things I wont get into here, SO...

why would a person need to or want to shell out another couple hunderd bucks to upgrade to VISTA and then
shell out another $300.00 to $800.00 dollars to upgrade their other software?

I guess, I am asking why is it better than XP?

I think they have made a big mistake with this, if anything it will push people further away from Microsoft, IMHO
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Postby Rnett » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:25 am

Here's the Windows 7 blog.

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Postby Karter » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:02 pm

"Rnett" wrote:Here's the Windows 7 blog.

OMG!!! this is even WORSE!!!

they are making it bigger and throwing in even more useless gadgets
why add a tool to manage your index, it should just do it!!

most people I know use their systems for email, games, online ordering or banking, and print photos
maybe write an occasional letter, resume, etc
they run Itunes for music and IPods, load a yahoo widget to monitor weather

they know nothing about monitoring a system index file

they rarely, rarely if ever use the scrolling windows
they call me to ask how to turn off the sidebar tool or
how to turn off the nagging "Do you want to install this?"

and more passwords, Oh Lordie just what we need more passwords.....

look at the people in this forum, how many use Firefox and abandon IE Internet Explorer

As I said earlier, even Intel refuses to migrate to VISTA and word has it, they will not be migrating to WINDOWS 7 either

Microsoft should have focused on the install
allowing people to make choices upon install, like
where to run it from
where user profiles are located
which tools to install
and maybe a "Do you want this to immulate XP?" question... Ewwwww how sweet that would be.. I bet 99% percent would answer YES

but they completely ignore all of that as they ignore all of their users
<grrrrr> and I have supported them all these years

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Postby Locke » Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:56 am

I guess, I am asking why is it better than XP?

XP worked better for me. Vista didn't add anything new (at least that I wanted) and it broke some things I used that worked in XP. I've found workarounds or fixes for most of the things that broke, but not all.

I also don't care for the new interface. I'm gradually getting used to it but there seems to be a lot of pointless changes.

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Windows 7 beta ready on Friday!

Postby Rnett » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:08 pm

LAS VEGAS — Microsoft Corp.'s next version of the Windows operating system is almost ready for prime time. That's one message Chief Executive Steve Ballmer delivered on the eve of the official opening of the International Consumer Electronics Show.

The world's largest software maker also disclosed deals to make its Live Search programs the default search engines on more personal computers and mobile phones.

And it announced a new version of its Ford Sync in-car technology that folds in the voice-operated directory service TellMe, which Microsoft bought in 2007

For years, the opening keynote at CES belonged to Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates, whose status as industry pioneer justified the sweeping visions of the future he'd build into his speech.

Gates passed the mantle on when he stepped down from day-to-day operations at Microsoft last summer, and Wednesday marked Ballmer's first time making the high-profile address.

"It feels like we've entered a period of reduced expectations, a time when we may be tempted to temper our optimism and scale back our ambitions," Ballmer said, in a nod to the recession. "But no matter what happens with the economy or how long this recession lasts, I believe our digital lives will only continue to get richer."

Ballmer said Microsoft would continue to invest more in research and development than its technology peers.

The CEO announced that a nearly final "beta" test version of Windows 7 will be available Friday for regular PC users to download and tinker with.

The new operating system — which could be available for purchase on PCs within a year — uses much of the same underlying technology as its predecessor, the much-maligned Vista.

But Windows 7 aims to resolve many problems PC users had with Vista. For instance, Microsoft pledges to make it easier to install peripheral devices and to have the software pump out fewer annoying warnings and notifications.

Ballmer also pledged that Windows 7 will boot faster and drain laptop batteries more slowly.

"I believe Windows will remain at the center of people's technological solar system," Ballmer said. "We're putting in all the right ingredients: simplicity, reliability and speed, and we're working hard to get it right and to get it ready."

Ballmer is hoping to boost the number of people using Microsoft's Live Search engine, which ranks well behind Google Inc. and Yahoo Inc. in popularity, through a deal with PC maker Dell Inc.

Dell will put a special Live Search browser toolbar and Windows Live programs, including Microsoft's e-mail and instant-messaging applications, on most of the consumer and small-business PCs that it sells worldwide. That deal replaces a relationship between Dell and Google.

The CEO also announced Microsoft has formed a five-year partnership with Verizon Wireless that calls for the Live Search tools to be added to all Verizon cell phones in the U.S. that can access the Internet.

Among the other highlights from Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft: The company added Flash support — required for watching YouTube videos — to its cell phone version of Internet Explorer.

And it created a link between Facebook and its own Windows Live social network, so when people update their status message or upload photos on Facebook, that information appears on the Microsoft site, too.,2933,477865,00.html

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Postby Karter » Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:20 am

I would hardly call this a good thing.

Who can believe anything FOX News has to offer, all they do is hire out-of-work Republicans, ummmm let me think, the two newest add ons
Carl Rove
Mike Huckabee

Microsofts biggest problem is that they made much of their old software obsolete.
I have many people who still use the MS 2000-2001 Office applications, (Publisher & Picture It) ... Outlook is no longer supported... things like that

Unless, they make major changes to Windows 7, those will still be non-functional..
and so, so, so many other tools

It is not what they are adding BUT WHAT THEY TOOK AWAY

:( :( :(

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Postby Rnett » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:33 am

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Postby pcgamer2 » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:46 am

i like fox news..

but anyways vista sucks, its not HORRIBLE like a lot of people make of it, but it didn't advance windows much anywhere besides into a hole.It is slow, system hog (uses about 750-950 mb on my system IDLE, vista seems to eat more when there is more there to eat), unstable, and people say windows is ease of use, its not, just compare windows command line to linux's, major differnce. Linux, if i want to run firefox in command line, i type firefox, or if i want firefox with gamespot i type firefox gamespot and it opens firefox with gamespot, with windows its C:/windows/programfiles/mozilla/firefox/firefox.exe or w/e which is much longer to type.Also NTFS is outdated and needs an upgrade, it is horrible with fragmentation and wares down over time where you have to install windows every 6 month to stay tidy.Software support with vista is companies resisting to advance, and making dx10 and other new stuff worthless and not adapted, so dx9 is the standard, making dx10 cards worthless.

And im not going back to 2001 standard sorry, that is way too old, that is why mandriva powerpack was a solution which have programs to help out with windows programs like wine or cedega 7 ( and runs WoW as if it was native, but thats because blizzard works with transgaming)
my ram usage is 290mb-320mb idle (with the heavily criticized kde4 that is great ram usage, that is awesome compared to vista sitting close to 1gb and fedora at 500-600mb with gnome)

although mandy is supposed to get another GUI makeover with Mandriva 2009 Spring edition with including kde 4.2 here is the look and feel, its pretty decent looking compared to vista and more so when it is not sacrificing ram to get the "aero" effects which arn't even close to kwin effects.

here is default mandy 2009 with kde 4.1


and my desktop


i recommended people to try ONE, all drivers would be installed for you (nvidia people have great support, ATI uh well....they have the drivers, but they are horrible compared to nvidia's making linux a nvidia stronghold) madwiki or ndisswrapper (uses windows wireless drivers if the linux wireless isn't ported) and you won't have to ever touch command line with MCC and other goodies mandy includes.
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